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Re: Delivery on Enclave [tinbigsky]
by kcorey
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Oct 11, 2007 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: tinbigsky (Oct 11, 2007 2:11 pm)
My son ordered his on the same day I picked mine up, and from the same dealer...this was on September 18th. I spoke with the dealer several days ago and he informed me that he had ordered 10 Enclaves the week after I picked up mine. Of the 10 ordered, only one (my sons') had been accepted...the rest are on hold. I told my son to anticipate a 14 to 16 week wait when he ordered, so he's not upset. As long as he gets it by the end of February he'll be OK. It seems that the dealers are being allocated a certain number, but no one seems to know how GM is arriving at that number. Here in New York City, very few (I don't know of any) dealers have any. My dealer sold his last one to someone from Virginia who just happened to be going by the dealership and saw it and it was just what they wanted. Yes, at MSRP.
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- #129 of 268
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Re: Delivery on Enclave [tinbigsky]
by bobelew
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Oct 11, 2007 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: tinbigsky (Oct 11, 2007 2:11 pm)
I ordered my Enclave on July 29. I am still waiting for mine to show up. I have been informed that the main reason for the delay in my enclave is that I have ordered the Luxury Pkg. This gives you the articulating headlights and the power tilt. There is a constraint on that particular option. My dealer checked with the regional rep to find this out. Had I ordered the car without this option I would have had it by the middle of September. I am still holding out because I want the package, at least the articulating headlights! It appears as though the seven passenger seating is now possibly another delay.
Here is a website that you can look up and find out what is delaying the production of most cars. www.donlen.com/production_cars_gm.asp
Hope this helps.
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- #130 of 268
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Re: Delivery on Enclave [tinbigsky]
by medema7
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Oct 11, 2007 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: tinbigsky (Oct 11, 2007 2:11 pm)
Would you mind sharing the actual pricing numbers, model and features of your purchase?
Did your $500 over invoice price include the conquest rebate? I hope you can understand that $500 over invoice can be such a relative value. Thanks
P.S I had one dealer offer invoice with the conquest rebate, however, the dealer wouldn't guarantee the conquest rebate. What kind of offer was that???
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- #131 of 268
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Re: Delivery on Enclave [medema7]
by seloo
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Oct 12, 2007 (3:24 am)
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Replying to: medema7 (Oct 11, 2007 7:39 pm)
There is no doubt that the Enclave is a nice car.
Financial experts state that paying full MSRP (plus all the other extra fees) on a rapidly depreciating item is a very poor personal financial decision.
I am not critising anyone, but it is hard to believe that well-informed consumers will stand in line to gladly overpay for a car. Especially, when they know that once supply and demand issues are resolved, you will be able to purchase these cars for under the invoice price.
So what is the motivation?
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- #132 of 268
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Re: Delivery on Enclave [seloo]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 12, 2007 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Oct 12, 2007 3:24 am)
Part of the motivation is that when a very desirable new model comes out, and it meets with more demand vs. supply, some people will gladly pay full MSRP just to have it. They make a decision that for them this model is more attractive and offers more value than competing models, even those that are being heavily discounted. Other buyers choose to wait until prices (hopefully) come down. This is how the marketplace settles the demand vs. supply equation, with real-world transaction prices. How quickly prices come down depends on to what extent the manufacturer is able (or chooses) to boost supply. Some car makers run into problems with suppliers, technical issues, etc. that prevent them from boosting supply as quickly as they would like. Others have a tradition of purposely limiting supply so they don't flood the marketplace, in order to keep prices up. And to some extent this isn't entirely within their control, as other competing models are introduced and become the next "hot car". Right now the Enclave is clearly a hot car, and it's unclear what Buick intends to do as far as meeting the demand, including those who are holding out for better pricing. If Buick ends up flooding the market, and discounts become widely available and you end up seeing one around every corner, the Enclave could lose some its luxury appeal. I would guess Buick will take the middle road, trying to sell as many as they can while still limiting supplies somewhat so prices hold pretty firm and those buying now don't experience rapid depreciation as soon as they drive it off the dealer's lot.
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- #133 of 268
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Re: Delivery on Enclave [seloo]
by davek137
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Oct 12, 2007 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Oct 12, 2007 3:24 am)
You are overpaying for any car you buy since almost all of them depreciate. Maybe you should do what a high school teacher of mine did. He would proudly buy a 6-7 year old car cheaply and drive it into the ground. He still lost money, just a lot less. Seriously, though, if you like something and can afford it you buy. I was able to get mine under invoice, and the conquest cash, and my GM card earnings along with a $250 earnings bonus for taking a test drive. This car is the best vehicle I have ever owned. My 03 Bravada stickered for 38M I bought it late 03 for 26M. This car obviously cost a lot more but it's worth it.
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PRICING ON ORDERED ENCLAVE
by tinbigsky
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Oct 12, 2007 (10:07 am)
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HERE ARE MY SPECS ON MY ORDER:
AWD CXL $33,898.43
TINT COAT PAINT 327.85 (RED JEWEL)
ENT PKG #4 3,585.60
TRAILERING PKG 352.75
DRIVER CONF PKG 431.60
CARGO NET 37.35
CARGO SHADE 37.35
ENGINE BLOCK HEATER 62.25
DIALOGUE 20.00
DELIVERY 735.00
ADVERTISING 322.54
LUXURY PKG 767.75
TOTAL $40,578.47 + $500.00
(BASICALLY, EVERYTHING BUT THE SUNROOF/MOONROOF and wheels)
My dealer said he would give me any available rebates when the Enclave came in. We need to have at least a VIN Number by 12/31 so our business can depreciate it out in 2007. It qualifies for the accelerated depreciation because of its GVW.
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Does "invoice" include LAM? Is Conquest $1,000 or 500?
by 08enclavebuyer
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Oct 12, 2007 (10:26 pm)
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I agreed to pay $1,000 over invoice in late July for an ordered Enclave. Invoice at the time for the Enclave as spec'd was 39,435 + 735 destination which was consistent with Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc. The Enclave just came in with additional invoice charges of $428 * 2 for Dealer and Group LAM Contributions.
Is this actually part of "invoice"? We had agreed that to the extent invoice changed (up or down) I'd pay actual delivery invoice + 1000. However, there were no LAM amounts or even line items specified at order date.
Also, they tell me the Conquest rebate is good for $500.
Thanks
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- #136 of 268
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Re: Does "invoice" include LAM? Is Conquest $1,000 or 500? [08enclavebuyer]
by medema7
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Oct 14, 2007 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: 08enclavebuyer (Oct 12, 2007 10:26 pm)
The Conquest rebate should be for $1000.00 unless GM changed the amount. The crazy concept behind the rebate is that they (GM dealer) will only allow whatever rebate is in place at the time of your delivery. In other words if GM decided to pull the rebate one week before you took delivery and didn't offer any rebate, you would receive nothing.
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- #137 of 268
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Re: Does "invoice" include LAM? Is Conquest $1,000 or 500? [medema7]
by kcorey
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Oct 16, 2007 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: medema7 (Oct 14, 2007 6:58 pm)
What's even crazier is that GM offers a "Conquest Rebate" to non GM owners, but nothing to loyal GM owners...that really stinks!!
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