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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by bobelew
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Oct 05, 2007 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:48 am)
I am shocked to hear of your predicament. I live in Seattle and they just had an article on the news about our neighbors to the north coming down here to purchase new cars. The dealers in Blaine Wa. and Bellingham Wa. are selling a lot of cars to the Canadians. I have not heard anything about the dealers not being allowed to sell to Canadians. I must admit that the tv news article was general and didn't name any specific brands, but the impression was that The Canadians were saving a bundle, and until the Canadian dealerships can get the cost of their vehicles restructured from the factories, the rush to American dealers is going to continue.
Did you try just one dealer, or several? It might be worth checking out. I would be interested in hearing what you find out, or if anyone else is expieriencing the same thing.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by rockfish1
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Oct 05, 2007 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:48 am)
Who gets to keep the difference in the price, GM or the Dealer? Either way it sounds like the customer is getting ripped off big time!!!!!!
As for enforcing anti trust laws, remember the government gets taxes on a percent of the total price. When the selling price is higher the politicians have more to spend.
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- #114 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [rockfish1]
by easym1
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Oct 05, 2007 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: rockfish1 (Oct 05, 2007 7:43 pm)
You are absolutely right my friend, our government collects 14% here and much higher in other province. A major reason for looking the other way.
By the way, I tried many dealers in the Niagara area ( I prefer dealers closer to our border )and basically, everyone gave me the same answer. You can try any dealer in your area and pretend that you are Canadian and you will likely have similar response. I have also asked my wife's cousin in Florida ( just for curiousity ) to check around and he got the same answer when he said that he is a Canadian. Whatever happened to NAFTA?
This is the worse of its kind and the automakers are doing an 'in your face' price fixing blatantly with no fear of reprisal from both our governments. How the heck can we trust our leaders? Have they sold out to the automakers?
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- #115 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 06, 2007 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:12 pm)
Of course General Motors (Buick) does have the right to price their vehicles differently in each country. I'm sure both their cost of doing business and competitive factors enter into the equation. It's not like they don't want to sell cars. I wonder what you would pay in say, England or France?
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- #116 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [JBaumgart]
by easym1
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Oct 06, 2007 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Oct 06, 2007 3:02 pm)
They absolutely have the right to price their vehicles but they don't have the right to abuse it. 25% price difference is mind bogling. When our dollar was 60 cents againts the US, this price differential was justified and we never complain. Our problem here is they never adjusted their price now that our dollar is higher than greenbuck. There is no justification to this except price gouging. They want to force us to buy here in Canada by putting roadblocks. Blackmailing US dealer is plain dirty and not honoring warranty on the car that they made is worse than a slap in the face of all Canadians. Free trade means free trade. I don't know of anything sold in US were Canadians are restricted to buy except some of this cars.
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- #117 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 06, 2007 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 06, 2007 4:44 pm)
First you say they have a right to price their product, then you go on to use terms like "price gauging" and "blackmailing". Again, they would have the right to charge $500,000 if they wanted, but of course they wouldn't sell any if they did. If how they've actually priced the vehicle in Canada results in disappointing sales, relative to their expectations, all they would need to do is lower the price to sell more. In the meantime, nobody's forcing you to buy any particular make and model - it's up to you to find one that you consider to be the best deal, given the options that you have. And just remember that "free trade" does not guarantee you any particular price, whether the product is made in Canada or the U.S.
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- #118 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [JBaumgart]
by easym1
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Oct 06, 2007 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Oct 06, 2007 5:31 pm)
I'm sorry if you get offended ( you're making me suspect that work with them ). There is a fair price and a price that's tantamount to price fixing and gouging. The news that you'll see here in Canada when they talk about our car prices is 'GOUGING' and you're guaranteed to get offended once you read them. Now, with regards to the Buick Enclave, there's no such thing as fair deal here.
I'm not only expressing myself but the sentiments of many Canadians with regards to the arrogance of the carmakers. And your response is basically 'go to hell'. It's too bad that you and the automakers don't get it yet.
Check NAATA and you'll see the antitrust case againts the automakers were they were fined by European court in millions for doing exactly the same thing. If you tell the Europeans what you just told me, I can only imagine what the response would be.
Thanks, to Edmunds.com and the internet, we can compare prices here and the US and the more we know, the more we realized that we are literary TAKEN FOR A RIDE by the automakers!
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by rockfish1
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Oct 07, 2007 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 06, 2007 9:43 pm)
While GM an set whatever prices they want on their vehicles, if a customer does not have the ability to buy where he wants then a rip off is occurring.
People tend to be smart when it comes to their money and making money. It seems like a cottage business must have been created to have a US customer buy a buick in the US then sell it in a private sale to the Canadian.
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- #120 of 268
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 07, 2007 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 06, 2007 9:43 pm)
easym1, I took your suggestion and checked out NAATA. They are a "not-for-profit association of vehicle dealers that import and export vehicles across international borders". Here's a quote that more than anything helps explain why Canadians are paying more for vehicles built in the U.S.:
"With the Canadian dollar so high these days against the U.S. dollar, many vehicles are priced lower in the United States than Canada. Traditionally, vehicle prices have been higher in the United States."
As for the fines imposed by the European Commission, bear in mind that these are specific to the laws they have in the EU to encourage competition across their borders. I'm sure if there were similar laws in effect between the U.S. and Canada, there would be plenty of lawyers filing class action suits over here.
This is my last post on this subject, as we are seriously off topic. Good luck in finding the best deal that you can.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [JBaumgart]
by davek137
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Oct 08, 2007 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Oct 07, 2007 6:38 pm)
Just look at this entire issue another way. We in the US pay substantially higher prices for drugs than our neighbors to the north. The issues are similar. Yes US citizens can buy drugs in Canada, but their insurance won't reimburse them because the Canadian drugs aren't approved by the FDA. These are exactly the same drugs made by the same companies. It's all politics and BS.,the same as with the Enclave.
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