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Re: Best Deal [hondaford]
by medema7
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Sep 29, 2007 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: hondaford (Sep 24, 2007 8:50 am)
I don't know. As I stated earlier they ( the sales manager
at Buick) cannot pinpoint what exactly the $1390 represents.
"It may be this or that" is not the type of salesmanship a customer can be too happy about.
I will be searching for other dealers and will search the Madison & Milwaukee WI areas next. ( I live in N.E. Wisconsin)
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I wish we have your USA price in Canada
by easym1
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Oct 04, 2007 (5:32 pm)
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I have been following this site for a while and finally decided to buy the Enclave south of the border because the price is about 20K cheaper on the AWD CXL despite our dollar now harboring parity. But to my suprise, the dealer advised me that they are not allowed to sell to Canadians or stand to loose their franchise. GM want to force Canadians to buy the car in Canada and pay a huge jacked-up price by blackmailing American dealerships. We are being GOUGED BIG TIME HERE in Canada by not only GM but all automakers. It made me sick!
I wonder if Edmund's site can help us Canadians in this regard.
Buy the way, I found out at NAATA that many car companies were charged and penalized in millions for doing the same thing in Europe on cross-border purchases. Toyota is the only one that settled the case.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by rockfish1
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Oct 04, 2007 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 04, 2007 5:32 pm)
What makes up the difference in the price? Is it the MSRP? Taxes? additional required equipment? or something else.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [rockfish1]
by easym1
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Oct 05, 2007 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: rockfish1 (Oct 04, 2007 6:17 pm)
The price difference got nothing to do with taxes. We pay the Canadian taxes once the car reaches Canada. Also, this car is exempted from the 6.1 duty at the border because of NAFTA. The base price of the CXL AWD in U.S. is about 33K while in Canada is approx 53K. The price difference were almost the same when Canadian dollar was 60 cents to U.S. But the automakers never adjusted that now that our dollar higher than U.S. We should be paying less. I spoke with a custom broker here who will bring the car in Canada for me for a $250 fee but I have to cover the Canadian tax. I rather pay tax on 33K than 52K. We pay 14% tax here in Ontario, just imagine the savings! This is the reason why GM and other automakers are basically blackmailing the American dealers not to sell to Canadians. The automakers were charged with antitrust doing the same activity in Europe.--source NAATA. Why can't our politicians enforces our antitrust law?
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by bobelew
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Oct 05, 2007 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:48 am)
I am shocked to hear of your predicament. I live in Seattle and they just had an article on the news about our neighbors to the north coming down here to purchase new cars. The dealers in Blaine Wa. and Bellingham Wa. are selling a lot of cars to the Canadians. I have not heard anything about the dealers not being allowed to sell to Canadians. I must admit that the tv news article was general and didn't name any specific brands, but the impression was that The Canadians were saving a bundle, and until the Canadian dealerships can get the cost of their vehicles restructured from the factories, the rush to American dealers is going to continue.
Did you try just one dealer, or several? It might be worth checking out. I would be interested in hearing what you find out, or if anyone else is expieriencing the same thing.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by rockfish1
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Oct 05, 2007 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:48 am)
Who gets to keep the difference in the price, GM or the Dealer? Either way it sounds like the customer is getting ripped off big time!!!!!!
As for enforcing anti trust laws, remember the government gets taxes on a percent of the total price. When the selling price is higher the politicians have more to spend.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [rockfish1]
by easym1
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Oct 05, 2007 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: rockfish1 (Oct 05, 2007 7:43 pm)
You are absolutely right my friend, our government collects 14% here and much higher in other province. A major reason for looking the other way.
By the way, I tried many dealers in the Niagara area ( I prefer dealers closer to our border )and basically, everyone gave me the same answer. You can try any dealer in your area and pretend that you are Canadian and you will likely have similar response. I have also asked my wife's cousin in Florida ( just for curiousity ) to check around and he got the same answer when he said that he is a Canadian. Whatever happened to NAFTA?
This is the worse of its kind and the automakers are doing an 'in your face' price fixing blatantly with no fear of reprisal from both our governments. How the heck can we trust our leaders? Have they sold out to the automakers?
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 06, 2007 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 05, 2007 10:12 pm)
Of course General Motors (Buick) does have the right to price their vehicles differently in each country. I'm sure both their cost of doing business and competitive factors enter into the equation. It's not like they don't want to sell cars. I wonder what you would pay in say, England or France?
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [JBaumgart]
by easym1
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Oct 06, 2007 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Oct 06, 2007 3:02 pm)
They absolutely have the right to price their vehicles but they don't have the right to abuse it. 25% price difference is mind bogling. When our dollar was 60 cents againts the US, this price differential was justified and we never complain. Our problem here is they never adjusted their price now that our dollar is higher than greenbuck. There is no justification to this except price gouging. They want to force us to buy here in Canada by putting roadblocks. Blackmailing US dealer is plain dirty and not honoring warranty on the car that they made is worse than a slap in the face of all Canadians. Free trade means free trade. I don't know of anything sold in US were Canadians are restricted to buy except some of this cars.
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Re: I wish we have your USA price in Canada [easym1]
by JBaumgart
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Oct 06, 2007 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: easym1 (Oct 06, 2007 4:44 pm)
First you say they have a right to price their product, then you go on to use terms like "price gauging" and "blackmailing". Again, they would have the right to charge $500,000 if they wanted, but of course they wouldn't sell any if they did. If how they've actually priced the vehicle in Canada results in disappointing sales, relative to their expectations, all they would need to do is lower the price to sell more. In the meantime, nobody's forcing you to buy any particular make and model - it's up to you to find one that you consider to be the best deal, given the options that you have. And just remember that "free trade" does not guarantee you any particular price, whether the product is made in Canada or the U.S.
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