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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [chelentano]
by 20vcq
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Feb 26, 2008 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am)
Not quite - Subaru the awd can shift torque right to left and corner to corner as well as front to rear. Outlander cant do anything but go to rear and then with the lock turned off and simple awd engaged the wheels can spin their little hearts out until the stability control kicks in and applies a brake to the offending wheel or wheels and the car crawls to a halt. (first hand experience). That is the main dif between Subaru, Audi and Outlander. I don't know where you get that comment about the Subaru automatic? that is incorrect as the same torque distribution takes place as the standard. Are you referring to an old model? The last 5 years at least the technology on both Audi and Subaru has changed markedly. I would refer to Road and Track rather than NY times unless it was for Ann Landers. 
The latest writeup on awd was in 2006 and the most recent comments about awd in general refer to the hottest being Mitsubishi Evo and Volvos new magic systems that apparently take it all to a new level.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [chelentano]
by 20vcq
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Feb 26, 2008 (4:51 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am)
Don't get me wrong "chelentano" the car is fine for what it is sold as - a crossover. But after putting it through some hard paces I found its weak spots and wont push it that hard again. That threshold is however considerably lower than the Audis and Subarus I have owned and driven over the years. But this chipwagon is fine - a bit noisy but fine.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [20vcq]
by chelentano
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Feb 26, 2008 (7:45 pm)
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Replying to: 20vcq (Feb 26, 2008 4:44 pm)
>> Subaru the awd can shift torque right to left and corner to corner as well as front to rear. Outlander cant do anything but go to rear and then with the lock turned off and simple awd engaged the wheels can spin their little hearts out until the stability control kicks in and applies a brake to the offending wheel or wheels and the car crawls to a halt.
You seem to be very anti-Mitsu biased and until you post a link to a legitimate source, you can only speculate what Subaru or Outlander can or can not do.
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>> That is the main dif between Subaru, Audi and Outlander. I don't know where you get that comment about the Subaru automatic?
Did not you see the chart in NY Times? I guess I have to post it here. As you can see 4-speed auto Subaru’s normal split is only 90/10:
>> Are you referring to an old model? The last 5 years at least the technology on both Audi and Subaru has changed markedly.
Oh, yea? Sure, Subaru’s technology changed so much, that even on the latest 2009 Forester they use same-old-same-old 4-speed auto tranny which will be sold at least trough the year 2014, while the rest of the world has been using 6-speed and even 7-speed tranny for a while. 2008 Forester sold today at dealerships is the same generation as 2003 Forester: the same AWD. And the new 2009 Forester is not known to have any major AWD changes in terms of a torque split. So Subaru’s 4-speed auto AWD system has only a 90/10 split and it could barely be called full-time. The same AWD 90/10 split number is given in Wikipedia about the 4-speed auto Outback. It is your grand mothers AWD.
The NY Times expert in his other article “Introduction to All Wheel Drive systems” actually calls this auto transmission based Subaru’s AWD system a “part time”:
“Subaru has for many years been quietly offering radically different AWD systems in the same car, depending on the transmission choice. The manual transmission Legacies and Imprezas use a full time system that is split 50-50 with viscous couplings for limiting slip. In the automatic transmission versions, however, the system is a part time”.
On the other hand, the Outlander in 4WD Lock mode has 60/40 split under normal conditions and 40/60 in extreme conditions. The Outlander's snow videos are the real life evidence.
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>> I would refer to Road and Track rather than NY times unless it was for Ann Landers.
NY Times is a little more independent source, while Road and Track gets all its money from car manufacturers. Road and Track is car marketing mag. But even the Road and Track (nor any other mag) did not ever say that a Subaru can transfer up to 100% of torque to either axle nor it can drive on a single wheel. Subaru’s AWD system is greatly overrated, it’s marketing myth. The AWD is decent only on manual transmission Subaru’s.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [chelentano]
by chelentano
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Feb 26, 2008 (8:46 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Feb 26, 2008 7:45 pm)
>> The AWD is decent only on manual transmission Subaru’s.
Oh, and some Subaru's with H6 engine have a decent AWD, but hardly the best.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [20vcq]
by rubyred83
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Feb 27, 2008 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: 20vcq (Feb 18, 2008 3:31 pm)
Had the Outlander XLS now for four months and 5500 miles. We live at high altitude north of the Mason-Dixon line in PA -snow and ice are a regular part of our driving experience. There is no such thing as an effective "all season tire" here. The first thing we did was get a set of real winter tires mounted on their own rims. The winter rubber keeps the ASC from intervening only until we are in extreme circumstances. With any car, if your traction-control and stability control system are working too much, it is the surest sign that you are running the wrong tires for the kind of driving conditions you frequent. All the fancy electronics and safety devices only work as well as your vehicle is connected to the road.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [rubyred83]
by cooljw
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Feb 27, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: rubyred83 (Feb 27, 2008 9:20 am)
Hi rubyred83: Given where you live, I'm curious if you have experienced the notorious paint chipping problem on the sides of the car in front of the rear wheel wells?
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [rubyred83]
by 20vcq
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Feb 27, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: rubyred83 (Feb 27, 2008 9:20 am)
Not a valid assumption here friend. New - 225 70 15 BFG Slalom snow tires WITH studs. If that isn't connected t the road ...? Turning off the stability control is a very necessary action in mountainous situations when tied to this grandmothers type slip stop via brake system. Please don't test your theory on the open road when other cars are around. Not trying to be argumentative here - please read all the previous posts both on this thread and awd discussions for more detail of findings.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [20vcq]
by piast
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Feb 28, 2008 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: 20vcq (Feb 27, 2008 2:58 pm)
I really can't agree with your opinions on Outlander 4WD/ ASC setup. We have had snow storms every other week here in Chicago area this season, and every single time I have to drive to work early, where plows are nowhere to be seen yet. Every time 4WD lock worked perfectly, and I only saw ASC kicking in maybe twice, when I switched it to 2WD just to try it. I'm constantly driving at 40-50 mph with no sensations you are describing. This system combo is much better and safer than the real 4WD system (with 4 hi and low ranges) I had in my old SUV, with ABS only. I just feel more confident and that's what counts. You of course have the right to your opinion. Just don't try to convince everybody, it is the only right one.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [20vcq]
by rubyred83
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Feb 28, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: 20vcq (Feb 27, 2008 2:58 pm)
Studs are no guarantee for good contact with the road -they stick best to soft ice and packed snow, in all other conditions they actually compromise road contact. Even on black ice they will slide if the ice depth isn't sufficient to allow deep penetration. Some of the worst-performing winter tires I have used were studded (Glacier Grip- a Cooper Weathermaster Clone). They were good for straight line acceleration in the conditions I described but totally sucked in any fast cornering situation.
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Re: Why NOT to buy a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander XLS [cooljw]
by rubyred83
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Feb 28, 2008 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: cooljw (Feb 27, 2008 1:52 pm)
Other Outlander owners have reported it around here, but not all; when my wife decided she wanted one I insisted on putting extra flaps on over the molded factory ones. I extended the front an extra 3'' and an inch out to the side so that the flaps look like the ones on the Endeavor. I have no chipping, so far.
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