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Jeep Cherokee Grand Cherokee Engine and Performance Problems

566 messages,  Last post on Nov 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM

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2000 JGC V8 Fuel Injectors? or is it something else? by jeep323
Oct 28, 2009 (2:11 pm)
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My truck has been out of commission for a while now. I'm thinking that its my fuel injectors after inspecting several sensors. Here is what my JGC does when i try to turn it on:
1). As I try to turn it on it makes a clicking noise
2). when it does turn on the motor accelerates as if i was stepping on the gas and the RPM shoots up.
3). After a few seconds of (step 2) the RPM drops down as the acceleration decreases dramatically to a point were it wants to turn off. It continues to dance on the RPM scale from 1k RPM to 500
4). When i would step on the gas pedal it wouldn't respond only if i were to press it down several times. but it would come in delay periods in between after i press the pedal.
5).Finally it turns off on its own or when i try to shift it to reverse or drive.
 
It be the obvious thing to take it to the mechanic but money is a lil tight right now so I'm open to any suggestions from anyone out there.
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Re: 2000 JGC V8 Fuel Injectors? or is it something else? [jeep323] by tuggajb
Oct 29, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: jeep323 (Oct 28, 2009 2:11 pm)

i would try a tps first
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Re: 2000 JGC V8 Fuel Injectors? or is it something else? [tuggajb] by jeep323
Oct 29, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: tuggajb (Oct 29, 2009 1:52 pm)

Sorry limited knowledge on terms. What is a tps or to do a tps?
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Re: 2000 JGC V8 Fuel Injectors? or is it something else? [jeep323] by tuggajb
Oct 30, 2009 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: jeep323 (Oct 29, 2009 6:25 pm)

throttle posison sencer (tells computer how hard you are mashing the gas )
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Cherokee Laredo w-TBI injection & surging by bdf_tech
Oct 30, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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This is a 1989 4wd 2.5l 4-cyl auto 2-door Cherokee. Granted that by design it's not very powerful... But in addition it has a really annoying quirk.
 
When under hard throttle acceleration (what other kind is there with a 2.5l four?), motor doesn't seem to be pulling at full power. But when the throttle is backed off halfway or more, the motor actually "surges" and runs stronger at part-throttle than it does at full throttle. Also occurs in normal driving, just not as obvious. Not a misfire, just weak...
 
For various reasons, over a couple of years, have ended up replacing EGR valve, dist. cap & rotor, wires, plugs, fuel filter, tried swapping fuel pumps, swapped to a different throttle body (& checked correct fuel pressure), replaced O2 sensor, catalyst (loose pieces were rattling around inside), replaced water temp and inlet air sensors, swapped ignition module and MAP sensor at one point or another, bought a new (high-altitude) CPS, etc. Last update was to add a "torquer cam" (great results from that). But still it surges.
 
Took it in to Jeep dealer for analysis -- they "tweaked" the TPS setting, then told me their best guess is that this is caused by "a slow computer" (a $500 replacement based on a guess?). I've been in electronics many yrs; generally you either have a good computer or a dead computer -- a "slow" computer would have to violate numerous laws of physics... (the Renix CPU is like the Eagle; not much in the way of retained error codes or diagnostics to look at)
 
Starts & runs (as well as can be expected), gets good mileage, but the non-linear throttle response is crazy. Any ideas, or anyone seen this on another Jeep? Maybe it's generic to the 4-cyl?
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Re: Rough Idle After Engine Rebuild [eric784254] by bertt
Nov 13, 2009 (9:19 pm)
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Replying to: eric784254 (Jul 25, 2009 6:26 am)

Man, I am experiencing similar problems with my 1997 JGC Laredo 4.0 with 175,000 miles on original engine. Several months ago, although the engine would turn, my Jeep would not start. I replaced the fuel pump but was informed that it was not the issue. My backyard mech told me it was the crankshaft sensor. The manual states that a faulty crank sensor would cut off power to the fuel pump and injectors. I purchased a crank sensor from CarQuest. I noticed that, prior to replacing the crank, he removed the spacer that it came with. About a month later I am still experiencing the same problem, and it also sputters and shuts off. Then after 10 minutes turns back on. I then replaced the ignition coil. Same problem. Replaced the camshaft sensor. Still the same problem. Changed the MAP sensor. Going crazy here! Problem still persists. I called the dealer and they said that the crank needed to be installed with the spacer. I went and purchased the spacer, installed it properly, or at least I thought so. Still shutting off. I read the manual once again, and considered the EVAP canister, Air charge temp sensor, charge air temp sensor, coolant temp sensor, O2, TPS, etc, etc, etc.... Love my Jeep but bank account is shrinking here. Need your help. feel free to email me at atroche1978aol.com
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Re: Rough Idle After Engine Rebuild [bertt] by tidester HOST
Nov 14, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: bertt (Nov 13, 2009 9:19 pm)

feel free to email me ...
 
Let's keep the discussion here so everyone will benefit.
 
tidester, host
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Re: Rough Idle After Engine Rebuild [tidester] by bertt
Nov 15, 2009 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 14, 2009 12:24 pm)

Coll! Any advise for me on this one? I'm getting real p.o.'d looking out my window at my Jeep just sitting there.
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Re: Rough Idle After Engine Rebuild [bertt] by steve_ HOST
Nov 15, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: bertt (Nov 15, 2009 8:11 am)

Did any codes ever get thrown off? Maybe you can borrow a code reader and see if any are stored, then post them here for someone to interpret.
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Re: Rough Idle After Engine Rebuild [steve_] by bertt
Nov 15, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 15, 2009 8:30 am)

Initially I had a mechanic scan it with the scan tool. The only code was for the crankshaft position sensor. I replaced the cps but after several days, same issue. Since then I replaced ignition coil, fuel pump, map sensor, camshaft position sensor only to have the same result. I've been on countless forums only to find that many other Jeep owners suffer from the same problems. On one forum a guy wrote about how he thoroughly cleaned the three plugs to the pcm with electronics cleaner and filled the prong slots with conducive grease. He claims not to have any problem now. Another wrote about buying a brand new pcm from the dealer. Another wrote of new O2 sensors. Another wrote about replacing the EVAP canister. I'm confused. I love my Jeep......a lot! Please help.

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