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#9 of 13 Re: Running B20 and greater [arvman] by caribou1 Jun 09, 2008 (4:28 am)
Replying to: arvman (Jun 08, 2008 8:52 pm) Arvman, Biodiesel is "on-hold" here and I was told that the EU will soon impose such restrictions that small diesel engines will become a thing of the past   Historically diesel fuel was 1/2 the price of premium gasoline in the EU. Last night I heard there wasn't enough diesel fuel available; this is the way we are being prepared to change our habits. Even ethanol mixed with gasoline is no longer supported. People who bought Flex-System (bio-ethanol or gasoline) powered vehicles are left with no support: their projected filling stations will not be built.   People are offended by the idea of agriculture feeding vehicles instead of humans. I think waste vegetable oil has potential but even this alternative is kept quiet. We are paying most of the countries' income via fuel tax, so alternatives are not welcome and possible issues are over exaggerated to frighten the population.   So buy your filter, but don't put too much expectations in the near future. You may soon be able to buy fuel at the bank: traders are buying and selling fuel simulating virtual shortage as a source of profit. For how long? Replies to this message: tidester (Jun 09, 2008 5:25 am) caribou1 (Jun 09, 2008 10:36 am) tidester (Jun 09, 2008 11:03 am)
#10 of 13 Re: Running B20 and greater [caribou1] by tidester HOST Jun 09, 2008 (5:25 am)
Replying to: caribou1 (Jun 09, 2008 4:28 am) People are offended by the idea of agriculture feeding vehicles instead of humans.   Offended? I don't think so. I think people are upset when groceries prices go through the roof because crops are diverted to produce ethanol. It takes a LOT of corn to fill your gas tank with ethanol.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper Replies to this message: caribou1 (Jun 09, 2008 10:36 am) tidester (Jun 09, 2008 11:03 am)
#11 of 13 Re: Running B20 and greater [tidester] by caribou1 Jun 09, 2008 (10:36 am)
Replying to: tidester (Jun 09, 2008 5:25 am) Tidester, Those who speak of offense are unfortunately not the poor. Poor people complain and pay the price until they have no more money. Then it's too late... It's a matter of ethics this time because there isn't enough land to feed the global population in the 50 years to come. Replies to this message: tidester (Jun 09, 2008 11:03 am)
#12 of 13 Re: Running B20 and greater [caribou1] by tidester HOST Jun 09, 2008 (11:03 am)
Replying to: caribou1 (Jun 09, 2008 10:36 am) Oh, there's plenty of land to feed the global population. The problem is that it takes something like 450 bushels of grain to fill a tank with ethanol (almost 70 bushels for E85) and that's where a lot of it is going. 400 bushels of grain would feed a lot of people over the week or so that it takes to burn it in your vehicle.   So, yes, it does become a matter of ethics and your points are well-taken.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper
#13 of 13 Have you read the news? by caribou1 Jul 04, 2008 (5:49 am)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy   SUV shoppers will have to pay a 2600 Euro Eco-Tax in some of the EU countries when they register a new truck. We will also pay a yearly contribution of nearly 400 Euros to run the Liberty

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