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Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid, GMC Yukon Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, SUV
#87 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [nedzel]
Oct 09, 2007 (1:40 pm)
In my book, Toyota is very successful in large hybrid like the highlander. My 2006 highlander hybrid AWD is consistently getting more than 30 miles per gallon on every fill up at the pump, regardless if it is city or highway driving.
Compare that to an average of less than 20 miles per gallon on the non hybrid version.
That is a realistic increase of more than 50% in fuel economy. That even beats the compacts cars that I used to drive in the past.
#88 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [nedzel]
Oct 09, 2007 (10:19 pm)
"That is completely false. GM, Ford, and most other car manufacturers are public companies. So are the oil companies. They make statements to their shareholders every quarter. I suggest that you read their quarterly reports and look for such payments. There aren't any."
My statement was an opinion and belief. Do you have any facts to substantiate otherwise?? With this in mind... .
I have worked in corporations all my life, almost 30yrs, what corporations say to shareholders are sometimes exagurated and sometimes outright lies. Most have been truthful but one or two have been almost criminal. I usually take corporation statements with a grain of salt and with a little skeptism. Hence Enron, Tyco, and others. So.... .
Do the quarterly reports show how the car manufactures and oil spend in lobbying efforts in doing everything they can to block legislation to improve efficiency on vehicles. NO. Do the quarterly reports (10q) show the back room deals that went on with oil industry and the white house, No. The quarterly reports only show what is legal for them to report to their shareholders. It does not report any unethical activity or behind the scene deals or any other activity that would benefit soley the suspect corporations.
I have nothing against government backroom deals as long the intent is to improve the majority "we the people".
Agreed, Toyota is arguably ahead in the game on hybrids in terms of cost. Although GM did a nice job with the Tahoe/Yukon with the dual mode hybrid. Thats why I'm on this board. For larger trucks and SUVs, diesels will probably improve the highway mileage while Hybrids will improve mostly in city driving. Toyota already acknowledged that they see that hybrids will be a standard for all vehicles in the future. Minimal cost adder for hybrids, Toyota stated recently.
#89 of 337 Where are these GM hybrids???
Oct 10, 2007 (5:51 am)
According to the Chevrolet website the Tahoe Hybrid was due fall of 2007. I think it is fall and have not seen any. Edmund's do not have them listed. Not that I would even consider buying one. I would like to hear from an early adopter.
#90 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [galvang]
Oct 10, 2007 (11:38 am)
"My statement was an opinion and belief."
Based on zero evidence.
#91 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [peralta]
Oct 10, 2007 (3:35 pm)
"Compare that to an average of less than 20 miles per gallon on the non hybrid version.
That is a realistic increase of more than 50% in fuel economy. That even beats the compacts cars that I used to drive in the past."
Yes, but compare it to the Honda CR-V, which gets about 22-24 in town and from 30 MPG ( 60-65 MPH) to 26 MPG ( 80 MPH). The increase is not as significant. (CR-V numbers based on Edmunds Forum reports).
Also, many people are not getting that kind of MPG from the HH.
Compare the prices of these two vehicles to get a feel for the value over the normal ownership of the vehicles based on initial costs and gasoline costs, plus estimated resale...
#92 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [stevedebi]
Oct 10, 2007 (5:15 pm)
I know that the CR-V and Highlander have been crossed shopped by many but these are different classes of vehicles.
I have driven the CR-V and it is underpowered. The real city driving (NYC) is below 20 MPG. The highway is good at about 26-29 MPG. Tank average from combined driving about 23 MPG.
Compare it to my Highlander hybrid which has a V8-like power and a 4 cy;inder fuel economy. It's not really a comparison since it is also more expensive, more luxurious, has all the most advanced stability control package.
My combined city/highway mielage is 31 MPG. Highway mileage maybe about the same compared to CR-V but that's about it. It is very powerful, low road noise, very comfortable, and has excellent city mileage, sometimes approaching more than 40 MPG on some trips.
#93 of 337 Re: Where are these GM hybrids??? [gagrice]
Oct 10, 2007 (7:38 pm)
"According to the Chevrolet website the Tahoe Hybrid was due fall of 2007. I think it is fall and have not seen any. Edmund's do not have them listed. Not that I would even consider buying one. I would like to hear from an early adopter."
GM is saying next month (Nov) for the Tahoe/Yukon Hybrid. We'll see.
MPG- 20MPG is good for this type of truck (Tahoe/Yukon Hybrid). Compare this to my former gas-a hog Nissan Armada 12-13MPG all round. Even to my current truck the Honda Ridgeline 17MPG all round.
Smaller SUVs are always a good bet for gas mileage. My second upcoming (next year) maybe a small SUV RAV4, VW Tiguan looks interesting. A diesel Tiguan would fit the bill quite nicely. I'd be interested to see those MPG numbers for that one. Looks pretty nice indeed. CRV is nice but definitely a chic car.
#94 of 337 Re: Where are these GM hybrids??? [galvang]
Oct 11, 2007 (6:13 am)
Of the smaller CUVs you mention, the Tiquan Diesel would be the only one I would have considered. Now that I bit the bullet and bought a gas guzzler Sequoia, I will not entertain buying another vehicle for at least a couple years. This is the time to buy a fullsized SUV. The savings will more than pay the difference in gas cost for the life of the vehicle.
I saved $10k on my Sequoia. At $3 per gallon for gas it will buy over 3000 gallons of gas. More than I will use in 6-8 years at 15 MPG. You have to crunch the numbers before you pay a big premium to save fuel.
#95 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [peralta]
Oct 11, 2007 (10:03 am)
I realize you like your HH, and I congratulate you on your purchase. However, I DID cross shop them, and found the CR-V superior (to the ICE version, at the time HH wasn't present).
The whole point is that it IS less expensive, it HAS an I4 rather than V6, has a lot of usable space for 5 passengers, and I personally found the acceleration and handling to be superior. If an absolutely loaded CR-V EX-L / NAV is 27500, and a loaded HH is 37000, that is almost 10K difference - buys a lot of gas. And after 10 years the CR-V will probably have better resale (though you may not keep your cars that long), because after 10 years / 150K (in NY state) the hybrid parts will no longer have warranty coverage.
BTW, I got about 21 MPG in town, in LA traffic. Never drove in New York, a hybrid might make more sense there.
I hope you will pardon my posts; I'm still upset with Toyota for putting a V6 in the HH instead of an I4 - just imagine the MPG with the HSD and an I4 (at least as an option)! You are driving in NYC, and I don't think that in such terrain the two extra cylinders of the V6 add much value, especially in traffic - but they do require fuel to run.
#96 of 337 Re: Hybrid Real Cost [stevedebi]
Oct 11, 2007 (11:11 am)
By the way, I got my Highlander Hybrid for invoice price at 31K. I know how to wheel and deal. I even helped lots of friends purchase theirs for invoice price.
I am glad to have a V6 since my drive to work is hilly terrain, >90% highway.
I also had a 2006 Honda Civic hybrid before and it was obviously underpowered going up those hills. Fuel economy suffered on the hills. The highlander hybrid fuel economy and performance is not affected going up and down the hills.
For a second car, I traded my HCH-2. I ended up with a Subaru outback and cancelled my order for a CR-V (AWD version) since the outback has slight advantage in fuel economy.
I think, the best Toyota can make is a RAV-4 with TCH drivetrain plus a rear motor. I would say this will attain 33 MPG city and 39 MPG highway, oombined of 35.
And if I drive, maybe I can squeeze 39 MPG from it.
I tried to drive the outback to work. It is able to attain a round trip of 30 MPG on an ideal traffic conditions (no traffic jams, no crowded streets). However, by the time I refuel, the tank average is 23-25 MPG. Those intersections, traffic lights, crowded streets, traffic jams really do add up and kill your fuel economy.