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Replying to: JBaumgart (Sep 25, 2007 5:52 am) Yes, I believe I read of research projects that achieved this MPG or better, but they basically rebuilt the SUV out of lighter materials, IIRC. Cost was over 100 grand. |
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Replying to: galvang (Sep 24, 2007 9:53 pm) Personally, I don't think they are doing this intentionally, no matter the conspiracy theory. I just think the price point these units are going to be brought in at makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose though if you are the kind of person who can swallow the bottom line off a standard unit, maybe another $4K wouldn't phase you. It should be noted though that the break even point at $4 a gallon would be a little over 4 years before the economics of hybrid versus non-hybrid equal out. That probably means that most lease arrangments are going to be a total and complete waste of resources from a capital outlay standpoint. The economics do not make sense in the short term. By the time they do make sense something better will be just around the corner. I'm passing on this one thanks. Bring on the low mileage used units and watch me take a 10-16K discount on a 'just broken in' truck. Now THAT makes sense to me. |
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GM's current ICE-only Tahoes and Yukons are rated at 14MPG/20MPG for 2WD models and 14MPG/19MPG for 4WD models. Today, we’ve learned that the use of the dual-mode hybrid system boosts those figures to 21MPG/22MPG and 20MPG/20MPG respectively under the EPA’s new testing methodology. This is from Daily Tech. While this is impressive city mileage, it is not entirely impressive at highway speeds. I have seen reports of this highway figure before for the regular ICE Tahoe. I still don't see the value in a huge price premium for these. If you drive 15K a year, we are talking about saving 250 gallons of fuel a year over the standard ICE Tahoe. That works out to 4.81 gallons of fuel a week savings. At $4 a gallon, that is almost $20 per week in fuel savings - AND you'll be eating almost all of that savings each week - JUST for the privilidge of driving the hybrid. The numbers just do not work out. Especially when you consider what you can get the low mileage used models for. |
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Replying to: tourguide (Sep 27, 2007 7:43 pm) Kind of reminds me of the government types who project a 20% increase in the cost of some program, then the program comes in at a 15% increase, and they tout the "savings" even though there was still an increase in costs.
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Sep 28, 2007 3:05 am) |
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Sep 25, 2007 5:52 am) GM, Ford and others are trying to block the new CAFE standards set by the goverment. They are doing everything to not to pass some of this new legislation. Oil companies lobbies are right there trying to influence the votes. As for the cost of the new Yukon Hybrid mid-40Kish, seems reasonable considering what you are getting. its actually cheaper than the Yukon Denali. So I'll  on the price. I may be a customer afterall, we'll see.
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Replying to: galvang (Sep 28, 2007 9:25 pm)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Sep 29, 2007 6:25 am) Right now we and the rest of world are buying oil from unfriendly countries and using profits to build nuclear weapons and fund the instability other countries. Even americans are indirectly being killed because of this. I go on and on. The bottom line everyone has to do their part to become fuel effiecient in terms of its use. Having the Yukon Hybrid is a step in the right direction.
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Replying to: galvang (Sep 29, 2007 8:12 am) I still disagree with what you say on lobbying, however. Everyone including corporations has a legal right to petition their government on issues and pending legislation. Oftentimes legislation is ill-conceived and is proposed only for partisan political purposes. And often corporations know a lot more about the issues that directly concern them than the politicians who think they have a good idea, but don't know all of the facts. It would be really great, for example, if all vehicles got 50 miles to the gallon, or everyone in the U.S. made at least $50 an hour. But passing laws requiring these things doesn't necessarily make sense, as they can cause more harm than good. Car companies and employers in general need to have input on these things. If executives and lobbyists are found to be in violation of the laws - committing bribery, making illegal contributions, etc. - then they should definitely pay the consequences. I hope these hybrid vehicles are a tremendous success and the politicians are realistic when it comes to CAFE. The American auto makers need time to develop more fuel efficient vehicles. I totally agree that these GMC/Chevy hybrids are a step in the right direction. But whether or not people buy them instead of conventional models should be up to them - initially the mark-up could be a tough sell for most customers who do the math. Others will pay up, just for environmental reasons and because they can afford it.
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Sep 29, 2007 9:19 am) I never said I was against lobbying efforts. Where I'm against it is where the lobbying efforts are used for their own self interest to promote an idea or an issue which is incorrect and wrong to the society as a whole. "But whether or not people buy them instead of conventional models should be up to them" I concurr for right now, however, for the future, as with other auto systems Catalytic converter, Vehicle stability control, the Hybrid motor should be a standard for all vehicles. You don't want to give the choice to people for them to purchase items that you know is going to directly or indirectly create harm to individuals and our society as whole. I beleive in freedom to the utmost as long as my freedom to do what I want does not create or facilitate harm to others.
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