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Re: any sales? [gagrice] by aspesisteve
May 22, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 22, 2008 7:57 am)

what is a way to recoup R&D quicker?
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Re: any sales? [aspesisteve] by gagrice
May 23, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (May 22, 2008 11:22 am)

Put the hybrid drive train into a higher priced vehicle such as an SUV. Or you can add a lot of worthless doodads like Toyota and Honda. I am hoping that GM does well with their hybrid. I am not real optimistic. GM seems to be building their large SUVs a little too light for mileage gains. The sheet metal in my 2005 GMC Hybrid PU was like paper. The sheet metal in this Sequoia I have is much more substantial. At least it does not pop in and out when you are washing it.
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Re: any sales? [gagrice] by aspesisteve
May 26, 2008 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 23, 2008 8:55 am)

what are the "worthless doodads" that Honda and Toyota put in their hybrids?
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Re: any sales? [aspesisteve] by gagrice
May 27, 2008 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (May 26, 2008 9:00 am)

You tell me. Anything that is not in the basic Civic or Corolla would be a good start. Just take the price difference between your basic Civic at $14k and subtract that from your Civic Hybrid at $22,600. I would say about $8600 worth of doodads. Less of course the hybrid system. How would anyone know what that is worth. It is a little harder with the Prius as Toyota wisely builds NO comparable vehicle with ICE only. Some say the Matrix is a good comp. You can get one of those for about $16,600 and the cheapest Prius if you can find one is over $24k. And easy $7k of worthless doodads. At least for someone that just wants a car.
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MSRP? you've got to be kidding by aspesisteve
May 28, 2008 (7:26 am)
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It would seem to me that as long as people are willing to be on a waiting list for the Prius, the "worthless doodads" won't be optional for a while.
 
As for the Tahoe Hybrid; You'd be foolish to pay MSRP for a truck that is easily had for $10,000 below MSRP without the hybrid system. It would take a long time to recoup that 10 grand in fuel savings here.
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Re: MSRP? you've got to be kidding [aspesisteve] by gagrice
May 29, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (May 28, 2008 7:26 am)

I agree on both points! Toyota has a winner and GM another white elephant.
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GM and Hybrid Lackluster Sales by galvang
Jun 02, 2008 (8:28 pm)
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Looks like GM is beginning to accumulate some inventory on their hybrid Tahoe/Yukons. There not selling as well as their Lambda platform vehicles aka... Outlook, Enclave. It makes sense, their less costly, additionally they get better MPG and are just as large as the Yukon/Hybrid. It's a no brainer. I drove an Enclave in Kawaui and I was impressed. Nice vehicle and nice work GM.
 
The main reason that their not selling for the same reason that I didn't acquire one. It's all about price. Paying $53K for a hybrid while it's non-hybrid counter part is $10K cheaper. Now if GM starts to offer more incentives and discounts to their hybrids then I just might reevaluate my plans and acquire one. here's the article.
 
Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid, GMC Yukon Hybrid seeing lackluster sales despite hybrid vehicle popularity
June2
 
  
With gasoline prices soaring to record levels, hybrid vehicles are quickly becoming some of America's favorite vehicles. The Toyota Prius hybrid is now the ninth best-selling vehicle in the U.S. and hybrid sales continue to climb month after month. But despite the recent popularity of hybrid vehicle and the former success of large SUVs, U.S. consumers have yet to warm up to General Motors' full-size hybrid offerings — the Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid and the GMC Yukon Hybrid.
 
Since the two hybrids hit the market in January, GM has only managed to sell a combined 1,100 units — well off the predicted pace of 12,000 annual sales and just a fraction of the 100,000 hybrids sold in the U.S. since the beginning of the year, according to the New York Times.
 
The Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid and the GMC Yukon Hybrid don't fit the mold of a typical hybrid vehicle, but the added hybrid powertrain does improve city mileage by 50 percent — equaling the city mileage of a four-cylinder Toyota Camry. However, that improvement is not enough to get most buyers over the vehicles' high sticker prices.
 
In order to get into a hybrid Tahoe, buyers will have to plunk down at least $53,000 — $4,000 more than a comparable gasoline-only Tahoe. Although buyers will recoup that price difference in gas savings over five years — not including a $2,200 government rebate — most buyers find it hard to justify a sticker price that high. Gasoline Tahoes match their hybrid counterparts in highway mileage (20/22 mpg 4WD/2WD) but get about 6 to 7 mpg less in city driving — 13/14 compared to 20/21 (4WD/2WD).
 
Instead of coughing up the extra dough for a full-size hybrid SUV, many buyers are opting for slightly less capable but equally gas-friendly — and much cheaper to buy — crossover vehicles. In fact, Ford is banking on consumers making the switch from large SUVs to crossovers, even if hybrid versions are available. The U.S.' second largest automaker isn't planning to enter the full-size SUV hybrid segment but will rather offer the 24 mpg, seven-passenger Flex CUV.
 
Chrysler is planning strategy similar to GM and will launch two full-size hybrid SUVs later this year — the Chrysler Aspen Hybrid and Dodge Durango Hybrid.
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Re: GM and Hybrid Lackluster Sales [galvang] by husky92
Jun 17, 2008 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: galvang (Jun 02, 2008 8:28 pm)

There not selling as well as their Lambda platform vehicles aka... Outlook, Enclave. It makes sense, their less costly, additionally they get better MPG and are just as large as the Yukon/Hybrid. It's a no brainer. I drove an Enclave in Kawaui and I was impressed. Nice vehicle and nice work GM.

 
I would think a hybrid Lambda platform would be a hit. I'd love to get 28 MPG in a vehicle that size. The big issue right now is the premium and production volumes. If they can get production up and get the premium down to <$3000 and offer it on all trims, they might sell more hybrids than non hybrids.
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Tahoe Hybrid - 2nd Row Seat Major Problems by stackmen
Jun 17, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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I bought a new Tahoe Hybrid 60 days ago. I like the car but have found a major problem in the design of the 40/60 second row seats. When completely folded over, they rock back and forth as you drive. This means if your child in in the 40 side seat, and you folded the 60 side seat for carrying a bike or other large object, as you accelerate from a stop sign, the 60 side seat rocks back and can crush the childs arm (or head - if they were reaching form something). Now try stopping the car, the seat now comes crashing forward and smashes into the rear of the drivers seat (which is not expected or pleasant).
 
I complained to the dealer, and finally worked my way to the regional chevy rep. He looked at my car, and said that the seat design is "inconvenient". I called it "defective".
 
His solution, an I Bolt to the floor (behind the drivers seat) and a strap (which the driver now has to remember to use).
 
Not a great answer for a 60K car with less then 5K in mileage.
 
Don't take my word for it, drive it with the seats folded over (like a 2000 model). I suspect you will move on to the std Tahoe/Yukon that does have a locking device. Or buy the Ford, which also has the locking device.
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Press Request by KarenS HOST
Jun 18, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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A reporter would like to talk to consumers who are in the market for a hybrid SUV but are having trouble finding one. Please respond to jwahledmunds.com with your daytime contact information along with the vehicle you are shopping for no later than Friday, June 20th.

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