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#196 of 301 Re: Going at MSRP? [silver8a] by bbooze Dec 21, 2007 (5:15 am)
Replying to: silver8a (Dec 20, 2007 2:35 pm) "the reason they are making a small amount of hybrids is if something goes wrong later they will only have to recall a few units and not a whole slew of them."   That's not very encouraging. So it's full MSRP and Chevy doesn't have a ton of confidence in the quality. No thanks.
#197 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [galvang] by fortop Dec 22, 2007 (9:03 am)
Replying to: galvang (Dec 14, 2007 10:55 pm) I have routinely achieved 20 mpg city//22 mpg highway with a base 4.8L Tahoe LS 2WD with a 3.23 rear axle ratio and a very conservative driving style. So, aside from a "Look at me - I'm green" factor, there is no benefit to buying a hybrid Tahoe or Yukon. This base Tahoe can be had for $27/28K - so the difference is more than $10K in purchase price (more options in the hybrid acknowledged).   GM should be commended for this hybrid attempt - it may lead them to true hybrid efficiency someday. But, anytime you fork over more than $10K cash upfront (or finance it) you lose opportunity cost of the money (e.g. 4%+ invested in a conservative CD) which most calculations ignore. Bottom line, it will cost you many thousands of dollars to look green and you could accomplish the same thing by just driving cautiously. Replies to this message: galvang (Dec 22, 2007 11:59 pm) gagrice (Dec 23, 2007 6:43 am) galvang (Dec 23, 2007 11:59 pm) fortop (Dec 30, 2007 5:25 pm) and 1 more...
#198 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [fortop] by galvang Dec 22, 2007 (11:59 pm)
Replying to: fortop (Dec 22, 2007 9:03 am) Wow, you must have a featherfoot vs lead one. The LS sounds interesting. But I need the extra power for towing. Whats interesting is your price of 28K which pins the hybrid almost twice as much than the LS. Yea, green initially will be expensive but eventually they'll get it down as with Toyota.   Gagrice pointed out the Mercedes GL320 CDI which is a good alterantive for gas mileage. Only issue is that it is not a clean diesel. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 23, 2007 6:43 am) galvang (Dec 23, 2007 11:59 pm) fortop (Dec 30, 2007 5:25 pm) gagrice (Dec 30, 2007 8:11 pm)
#199 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [galvang] by gagrice Dec 23, 2007 (6:43 am)
Replying to: galvang (Dec 22, 2007 11:59 pm) The LS sounds interesting. But I need the extra power for towing.   That is a major problem with the GM Tahoe Hybrid. It has a MUCH lower towing capacity than the regular Tahoe with the 5.3L V8. The 4WD hybrid is rated at 6000 lbs and the 2WD at 6200 lbs vs 7500 lbs for the regular Tahoe.   PS I am sure that is the reason Toyota has limited their hybrids to small CUVs. The Lexus RX400h is only good for a utility, small boat or tent trailer towing.   The GL320 CDI is clean enough for me. It puts out less GHG than any vehicle in its class including the new GM hybrid. Replies to this message: galvang (Dec 23, 2007 11:59 pm) fortop (Dec 30, 2007 5:25 pm) gagrice (Dec 30, 2007 8:11 pm)
#200 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [gagrice] by galvang Dec 23, 2007 (11:59 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 23, 2007 6:43 am) The GL320 CDI is clean enough for me. It puts out less GHG than any vehicle in its class including the new GM hybrid.   HMM, maybe I'll do a little investigation. Funny, I was out doing some last minute christmas shopping a few hours ago and drove by the Mercedes dealer. I was going to stop by and pick up a brochure however the lights were out and the dealer was closed. I was thinking of this very same thread as I drove by.   The only drawback with a Mercedes its a little bit of a "chicky" vehicle for me. Around here it may not be appropriate. That's why I like the Audi, it's a bit more tougher and masculine at the same time with a little class. My only need is 6K Lbs for towing. I'll still check out the GL320 CDI. Appreciate the info.
#201 of 301 Re: Any real-life experience? [bbooze] by kdhspyder Dec 26, 2007 (7:47 pm)
Replying to: bbooze (Dec 19, 2007 1:21 pm) Yes. These initially are not intended for the general public. They are not intended for the hagglers and sharpies. They are intended for those who are expecting to pay about $50K for their next Tahoe/Yukon. These would be the 3LT or LTZ buyers.   Since there will only be 10000 made the first year they will be parcelled out to those who will 'represent GM' the best. The buyer applies to GM to get one and if approved it's shipped from a central inventory.   Now at some time in the near future the after the technology has been 'market approved' it will migrate down to the other trim levels. At some further time in the future after the R&D has been amortized the true differential should be in the $3000-$5000 range.
#202 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [gagrice] by fortop Dec 30, 2007 (5:25 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 23, 2007 6:43 am) Yup. It is mostly the 3.23 rear axle that accounts for the improved gas mileage, but that is not good for heavy towing. What exactly are you towing that is so heavy? Over 5000# and I think a 3/4 ton vehicle is the better choice. If I towed a lot I would look into a Gear Vendor splitter to improve gas mileage - but that actually has the effect of reducing the final drive ratio anyway. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 30, 2007 8:11 pm)
#203 of 301 Re: Hybrid insanity [fortop] by gagrice Dec 30, 2007 (8:11 pm)
Replying to: fortop (Dec 30, 2007 5:25 pm) Most two axle toy haulers are rated at a minimum 7000 lbs. People load them down with all their gear and probably go over that most of the time. Every weekend Interstate 8 is a steady stream of these trailers headed to the sand dunes at Glamis and Buttercup. Most use diesel PU trucks to pull their trailers. I don't think a hybrid will ever make the mark.   I was responding to a poster that expected the higher powered Tahoe Hybrid to be a more capable tow vehicle. Instead it is inferior. I have had nearly 5000lbs on my 3500 lb 5x8 utility trailer. I only went the 3 miles from Home Depot. Never got over 30 MPH. Trailers can be deceiving.
#204 of 301 Remove the decals from the front and back windows by bbooze Dec 31, 2007 (3:29 pm)
I've noticed in the pictures for the hybrid Tahoe that the word "HYBRID" is plastered all over the vehicle, particularly on the top of the front windshield and back window. There are also "Hybrid" badges on the front and sides. Does anyone know if owners will be able to remove the 'Hybrid' decals off of the front and back windows? Replies to this message: gagrice (Jan 01, 2008 12:51 pm)
#205 of 301 Re: Remove the decals from the front and back windows [bbooze] by gagrice Jan 01, 2008 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: bbooze (Dec 31, 2007 3:29 pm) Who would want to after paying an extra $10 grand for those stickers?

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