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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [gagrice] by tourguide
Nov 30, 2007 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2007 8:11 am)

That is the reason Chrysler scrapped their hybrid long before Toyota even thought of building one. Toyota with their deep pockets decided it was worth the loss to get the green image. It has paid off. They may even be making a profit on the Prius.
 
It appears they are determined to make a profit on the Hylander Hybrid too as that model saw a massive price bump this year, but at least the HH comes MAXED out option wise for what you START paying in the Tahoe Hybrid. It is a shame too, I test drove the HH and I really liked it, but when I priced it out, I got the blues.
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [tourguide] by gagrice
Nov 30, 2007 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: tourguide (Nov 30, 2007 6:46 pm)

I just looked at the HH and a loaded Limited is $47,573 before TL. That is $6k more than I paid for the MUCH finer Sequoia Limited 4X4 with all the same amenities. So I would say yes the HH is WAY over priced for what you get. That extra $6k would pay my gas bill for 5 years and then some. I get more room, comfort, safety and I am sure better resale when the price of gas is lower.
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [tourguide] by galvang
Dec 02, 2007 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: tourguide (Nov 29, 2007 3:10 pm)

Watch out for repairs on that TDI.
 
Where did hear this from?? I did some research and the TDI from Audi has been shipping for a year now in Europe. I've looked at some of the international forums and I haven't seen very many complaints from them. Actually many compliments. Only caveat is that Audi will not introduce the TDI for the Q7 here in the states until next year.
 
Tahoe Hybrid, yep it's a upscale man's green mobile. I was at the auto show in LA I sort of gave them an ear full on their pricing and model strategy. The vehicle is now listed here at this website. It looks like they lowered their prices by a grand from their initial pricing announcement.
 
That is the reason Chrysler scrapped their hybrid long before Toyota even thought of building one.
 
I talked to Chrysler at the auto show, they are delaying their hybrid intro till next year. They had a Hybrid Aspen with a boat attached there. It looked nice. Chrysler was just recently bought out by a private equity firm, so, I suspect changes in priorities and personel may have cause the delay.
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [galvang] by stevedebi
Dec 03, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: galvang (Dec 02, 2007 2:27 pm)

"Watch out for repairs on that TDI. "
 
I made the original comment, based on VW in general, which in my experience tend to have quality problems. They do drive well when they are tuned up and in working order though.
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [tourguide] by kdhspyder
Dec 03, 2007 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: tourguide (Nov 29, 2007 3:10 pm)

I think right from the beginning GM started planning this thing as a promotional project more than a serious vehicle. They HAD to know the economics of this thing just don't make sense.
  
It must be tech that is just WAY expensive, and that is why it isn't being planned for the lambda platform vehicles - I am making this assumption here because GM has been mute over any such plans, and they have talked up all their big developments recently.

 
When GM announced the pricing for their new hybrid SUVs I was shocked also. But I will admit that I missed this subtle nuance in their strategy, gagrice will appreciate it.
 
Yes it appears that there is a $10000 price premium for this over a 'standard' Tahoe/Yukon but in fact it's only about $2000-$3000!!! Surprising, isn't it?
 
'How can this be?', you ask.
 
This initial launch of the 2-Modes is not intended for the general public. It doesn't matter what the price is, OK a little. This vehicle is not intended for Mr/Mrs Middle America. It is intended for the select few that GM wants to own it. These would be loyal well-to-do GM customers who will spread the good word about the hybrid. These would be GM owners who might be in the media spotlight, Rush Limbaugh for example, who will promote the benefits of GM's system in the top of the line hybrid. These would be well-to-do Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade buyers who were expecting to pay upwards of $50-$65K for their SUV whether it was a hybrid or not.
 
This vehicle is going to have a limited production of about 10000 during the first year and it's reported to be sold only in limited areas from a central inventory probably somewhere in Michigan. IOW apply to GM to purchase one of these and they will decided if you will be allowed to get one. I don't know about you but I don't think I'd have the 'clout' to be approved.
 
Oh for those that do buy one...they will end up spending LESS money over the life of the vehicle than if they had purchased the non-hybrid luxury trim of the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade.
 
Now in 2-3 yrs after these have proven themselves you likely will see a $39000 hybrid base model Tahoe vs a $35000 ICE. Now that will make sense for some families.
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [stevedebi] by galvang
Dec 03, 2007 (10:18 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Dec 03, 2007 12:08 pm)

I made the original comment, based on VW in general, which in my experience tend to have quality problems. They do drive well when they are tuned up and in working order though.
 
Well, after further review, I did found some engine failures with the Q7 3.6L gas engines. Strange, because consumer reports rated the 3.6L Q7 as "above average" for reliability and "worse than average" for the 4.2L V8. For the Yukon/Tahoe XL it was rated "worse than average". Generally, I tend to agree with your statement that build quality of some Euro manufactures are not as good as the mainstream Japanese manufactures.
 
What, Rush Linchmob, what does this guy know about green??
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Re: chevy tahoe gmc yukon hybrid [galvang] by kdhspyder
Dec 04, 2007 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: galvang (Dec 03, 2007 10:18 pm)

Nothing but he is loyal to GM. He often makes fun of the Prius and he appeals to a certain demographic. It might be this demographic that GM wants to attract, among others.
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Hybrid insanity by mxypltz
Dec 13, 2007 (6:05 am)
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There is a law of diminishing return when it comes implementing hybrid technology on larger cars/SUV's/trucks. The Tahoe Hybrid has quite literally pushed it into the absurd and this is a vehicle only for those with more money than sense. People please! This is GM's vain attempt at trying to maintain it's most profitable line of vehicles, all the while adhering to the ever tightening CAFE standards. GM would do better at throwing their ever declining profits into smaller displacement diesel engines that can motivate this SUV better and get the same or better gas mileage; running on biodiesel to boot. GM, wake up and smell the peanut oil! You would do better at trying to modify the Aveo into some kind of Pruis competitor rather than appeal to those few dim bulbs who think they are doing the environment any good in a Tahoe hybrid. What's next on your brilliant to do list? An anemic H2 hybrid??
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Re: Hybrid insanity [mxypltz] by galvang
Dec 13, 2007 (11:05 pm)
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Replying to: mxypltz (Dec 13, 2007 6:05 am)

Yea I am a little critical with these guys, but lets face it they did come up with a large truck hybrid that maybe some day in the not to distant future maybe be competitive to the old gasoline engines and the dual mode hybrid may be implemented across the board to all vehicles. I concur, GM would have served the public better with a clean diesel for their trucks and SUV. You got to give GM some credit as they are planning a 4.0L Diesel for the new H2.
 
Now that CAFE bill is in debate in and on capitol hill ready to be passed lets see if the Prez has the stomach to sign it in lieo of his close relationships to "ole".
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Re: Hybrid insanity [mxypltz] by JBaumgart
Dec 14, 2007 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: mxypltz (Dec 13, 2007 6:05 am)

Has anyone done the math, not to see if the hybrid premium is worth it on these two models, but more from a gallons saved standpoint? Assuming that these models get 20 MPG vs. 15 average for their non-hybrid counterparts, that's only an extra 5 miles per gallon, which doesn't sound like much. But for every 1000 miles traveled, the hybrid would consume 50 gallons vs. something like 66.7 gallons for the conventional models, a savings of 16.7 gallons. How would this compare to smaller car hybrids, say a Honda Civic Hybrid vs. the regular Civic, just in terms of the gallons saved? Or to medium sized vehicles, like an Escape Hybrid to the regular Escape? Looked at it this way, maybe the GMC/Tahoe hybrids don't look like such a dumb idea?

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