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Replying to: galvang (Nov 18, 2007 9:27 am) All three of these companies are already heavily into diesel in other parts of the world. Their conscious decision was not to bring diesel to the US - at this time. I think several factors weigh in.. ..diesels and hybrids both accomplish the same benefit; i.e. save about 30-40% of the fuel normally used ..until recently the right diesel fuel has not been available here ..until recently the technology to pass all the nationwide emissions tests has not been available ..'most' Americans don't have a positive view of diesels; to re-educate the public will take some time, time that could be spent making profits off of hybrids. ..it's not certain what the upcharge will be for the new clean diesel technology ..it's not certain what fuel economy benefit will actually come out of these new clean diesels after the emissions equipment is added. ..hybrids have a very very positive image in NA now thanks to Toyota's grunt work so why not profit off that? I would hope that GM would expand their 2-Mode technology down to the larger volume lower priced heavy vehicles like $30000 trucks and SUVs and crossovers. It would make a huge benefit to our fuel usage situation. |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 20, 2007 1:56 pm) If someone were driving a 12 y.o. clunker with 200,000 mi it's not worth anything monetarily except as wheels. If that owner can be induced to drop off that worthless rattletrap and get a $2000 check toward a newer more modern technology then we should all benefit.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2007 5:54 am) The problem is that you can't buy a newer vehicle for $2000. So a poorer family would be out of luck.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 26, 2007 2:50 pm) I just looked at a used 2003 VW Beetle TDI diesel with 265,000 miles. They were asking $5k. I offered $2k. Waiting to hear. It sounded good.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 28, 2007 7:43 am) The original poster wanted everyone to buy newer cars, so I was comparing the cost to a new vehicle. I think that my 1987 Corolla is likely to provide better service than many cars that are far newer. My point was that not everyone can afford a new car, and saying that people should be "forced" to buy new vehicles, or newer vehicles, is blatantly unfair. Watch out for repairs on that TDI...
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 28, 2007 1:18 pm) That is the reason for the lowball offer. I would expect a couple grand in engine repairs very soon. Maybe not. I do agree with you that forcing people into new cars may seem great to a car salesman. With many folks losing their homes here in CA it is not likely they will be buying a new car. There is a glut of used cars on the lots. I say get an old beater and drive it till the wheels fall off. Leave the latest technology for the rich folks. A $50k GM hybrid is not for the average person I know. In fact I do not have anyone in my circle of friends that could afford that.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 28, 2007 7:50 pm) You got that right brother. At the 10K premium that will indeed be a limited run. At today's fuel prices ($3.20 per gallon) you could buy OVER FOUR YEARS worth of petrol assuming you drive 15K per year. That covers a lot of miles of driving on just the price premium alone. I think right from the beginning GM started planning this thing as a promotional project more than a serious vehicle. They HAD to know the economics of this thing just don't make sense. It must be tech that is just WAY expensive, and that is why it isn't being planned for the lambda platform vehicles - I am making this assumption here because GM has been mute over any such plans, and they have talked up all their big developments recently. |
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Replying to: tourguide (Nov 29, 2007 3:10 pm) GM and Chrysler both have known that hybrids are poor economic choices. That is the reason Chrysler scrapped their hybrid long before Toyota even thought of building one. Toyota with their deep pockets decided it was worth the loss to get the green image. It has paid off. They may even be making a profit on the Prius. We will never know as that is privileged information. Toyota was also pushed by the Japanese government to build hybrids. Not sure the subsidies provided by their government.
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Apparently - Chevy has a major problem with its doors and locks. My 2007 Chevy Tahoe car was broken into the day after Thanksgiving. The police told me it is very easy for a thief to slip a screwdriver under the door handle and pop the lock. This disengages the alarm also. That easy. They do damage to the door handle, door, lock and it costs about $1500 to $1800 to fix. The police say Chevy vehicles are the worst. They say there is an after market product that does better. But who is going to buy a new car and then spend money for a new locking system! I can't believe that in 2007 - Chevy can not make a better locking system than this. At least make it so the alarm is not disengaged also.... So word to the wise - DO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING VALUABLE IN VIEW!!!!!! |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2007 8:11 am) It appears they are determined to make a profit on the Hylander Hybrid too as that model saw a massive price bump this year, but at least the HH comes MAXED out option wise for what you START paying in the Tahoe Hybrid. It is a shame too, I test drove the HH and I really liked it, but when I priced it out, I got the blues. 
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