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Replying to: galvang (Nov 15, 2007 9:35 pm) GM's only responsibility is to their shareholders and customers. They cannot reasonably be expected to market cars for less than it costs them to produce the vehicles.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 16, 2007 3:22 am) That amount of money is not going to pay for a new vehicle for every car out there over 7 years old. BTW, California already has such a "bounty" program, but I don't think very many people take advantage of it.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 20, 2007 1:54 pm) Agreed under normal circumstances. Since oil is close to $100 dollars a barrel and the price of gas keeps going and going higher, with the environment with GHG, they aught to be a more of a responsible corporation. Lastly, I am one of those customers that GM has a duty towards , and frankly, I am unhappy with them. |
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 18, 2007 9:27 am) All three of these companies are already heavily into diesel in other parts of the world. Their conscious decision was not to bring diesel to the US - at this time. I think several factors weigh in.. ..diesels and hybrids both accomplish the same benefit; i.e. save about 30-40% of the fuel normally used ..until recently the right diesel fuel has not been available here ..until recently the technology to pass all the nationwide emissions tests has not been available ..'most' Americans don't have a positive view of diesels; to re-educate the public will take some time, time that could be spent making profits off of hybrids. ..it's not certain what the upcharge will be for the new clean diesel technology ..it's not certain what fuel economy benefit will actually come out of these new clean diesels after the emissions equipment is added. ..hybrids have a very very positive image in NA now thanks to Toyota's grunt work so why not profit off that? I would hope that GM would expand their 2-Mode technology down to the larger volume lower priced heavy vehicles like $30000 trucks and SUVs and crossovers. It would make a huge benefit to our fuel usage situation. |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 20, 2007 1:56 pm) If someone were driving a 12 y.o. clunker with 200,000 mi it's not worth anything monetarily except as wheels. If that owner can be induced to drop off that worthless rattletrap and get a $2000 check toward a newer more modern technology then we should all benefit.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2007 5:54 am) The problem is that you can't buy a newer vehicle for $2000. So a poorer family would be out of luck.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 26, 2007 2:50 pm) I just looked at a used 2003 VW Beetle TDI diesel with 265,000 miles. They were asking $5k. I offered $2k. Waiting to hear. It sounded good.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 28, 2007 7:43 am) The original poster wanted everyone to buy newer cars, so I was comparing the cost to a new vehicle. I think that my 1987 Corolla is likely to provide better service than many cars that are far newer. My point was that not everyone can afford a new car, and saying that people should be "forced" to buy new vehicles, or newer vehicles, is blatantly unfair. Watch out for repairs on that TDI...
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 28, 2007 1:18 pm) That is the reason for the lowball offer. I would expect a couple grand in engine repairs very soon. Maybe not. I do agree with you that forcing people into new cars may seem great to a car salesman. With many folks losing their homes here in CA it is not likely they will be buying a new car. There is a glut of used cars on the lots. I say get an old beater and drive it till the wheels fall off. Leave the latest technology for the rich folks. A $50k GM hybrid is not for the average person I know. In fact I do not have anyone in my circle of friends that could afford that.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 28, 2007 7:50 pm) You got that right brother. At the 10K premium that will indeed be a limited run. At today's fuel prices ($3.20 per gallon) you could buy OVER FOUR YEARS worth of petrol assuming you drive 15K per year. That covers a lot of miles of driving on just the price premium alone. I think right from the beginning GM started planning this thing as a promotional project more than a serious vehicle. They HAD to know the economics of this thing just don't make sense. It must be tech that is just WAY expensive, and that is why it isn't being planned for the lambda platform vehicles - I am making this assumption here because GM has been mute over any such plans, and they have talked up all their big developments recently. |
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