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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 16, 2007 3:22 am) I still think you are doing more for the environment by keeping your cars for as long as possible, in good condition.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2007 6:15 am) The newer vehicles have more up to date emission contol components. Plus the air quality standards keep getting tougher. Newer vehicles have to meet the tougher air quality standards. So I beleive the newer the car ,the more friendler towards the air we breathe, generally speaking. Don't mean to disagree with you. I'll be at the LA Auto Show Friday the 23. I have not been in one in over 10 years. I use to go to the shows all of the time. Want to see the Yukon Hybrid and the Audi Q7 3.0L TDI (if they have one). Do a little conversing with the reps. If I'm lucky possibly spot somebody else.
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 16, 2007 9:31 pm) The newer vehicles are slightly cleaner than 20 year old technology. We just had our 1990 Lexus smogged. It was still very clean. I talked to the test fellow. He told me our car was as clean as many 5 year old cars. I think we have long passed the point of diminishing returns on cleaning gas engines. When a cars exhaust is cleaner coming out than the air going in, we need to look elsewhere to improve our air quality. You being in the LA area know where the bulk of the smog comes from, and it is not the cars on the highways. At this point the best thing we can do is reduce GHG. The modern diesel engine offers the most bang for the buck. I think the Q7 TDI that will soon go on sale is a great offering. With the blutec V6 it should get close to 30 MPG on the highway. The GL320 CDI that I tested had loads of power and real people are getting 28 MPG out on the road. Not too shabby for a 5300 lb vehicle. Compared to the RX400H that is 1000 lbs lighter, that only gets about 25 MPG on the highway. Plus the RX is much smaller and less capable off road. I think GM is missing the boat again by not putting their efforts into clean diesel instead of the hybrids. Jumping on some other auto maker's bandwagon is not the way to lead.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2007 6:21 am) Maybe. Hybrids are important and are one piece of the puzzle. The American MFGs seem to have an edge on this. Hybrids should eventually be used across the board in all vehicles. The other piece of the puzzle is the clean TDI powerplants where the Euros are way ahead of us. Audi, MB and Honda have or will introduce these powerplants soon. When these two pieces (Hybrid and clean TDI) are combined then you'll have a powerplant that is clean and have much more improved fuel efficiency. Mercedes will introduce a Bluetec diesel hybrid in the next couple of years with a 40-50mpg fuel effieciency. These bluetec hybrids will be expensive at first but as with any new technology and with more use, the prices will go down. http://www.edbmw.com/blog/2007/11/16/la-show-2007-mercedes-s400-bluetec-hybrid/ There are other competing technologies but the one above is the most easiest to achieve with existing technologies. Did GM miss the boat?? Partly, because of not having the clean TDI and their prices are ridicilous for the hybrid. These issues are complex and are not trivial. If we as a country switched to a clean diesel overnight we would have supply problems in acquiring diesel. Eventually it's all about supply and demand. The La Auto show should be interesting with all those new hybrids and other vehicles should be a good showing. It's going to be interesting on what's going to happen in the next few years in the auto industry. //GG
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 15, 2007 9:35 pm) GM's only responsibility is to their shareholders and customers. They cannot reasonably be expected to market cars for less than it costs them to produce the vehicles.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 16, 2007 3:22 am) That amount of money is not going to pay for a new vehicle for every car out there over 7 years old. BTW, California already has such a "bounty" program, but I don't think very many people take advantage of it.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 20, 2007 1:54 pm) Agreed under normal circumstances. Since oil is close to $100 dollars a barrel and the price of gas keeps going and going higher, with the environment with GHG, they aught to be a more of a responsible corporation. Lastly, I am one of those customers that GM has a duty towards , and frankly, I am unhappy with them. |
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 18, 2007 9:27 am) All three of these companies are already heavily into diesel in other parts of the world. Their conscious decision was not to bring diesel to the US - at this time. I think several factors weigh in.. ..diesels and hybrids both accomplish the same benefit; i.e. save about 30-40% of the fuel normally used ..until recently the right diesel fuel has not been available here ..until recently the technology to pass all the nationwide emissions tests has not been available ..'most' Americans don't have a positive view of diesels; to re-educate the public will take some time, time that could be spent making profits off of hybrids. ..it's not certain what the upcharge will be for the new clean diesel technology ..it's not certain what fuel economy benefit will actually come out of these new clean diesels after the emissions equipment is added. ..hybrids have a very very positive image in NA now thanks to Toyota's grunt work so why not profit off that? I would hope that GM would expand their 2-Mode technology down to the larger volume lower priced heavy vehicles like $30000 trucks and SUVs and crossovers. It would make a huge benefit to our fuel usage situation. |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 20, 2007 1:56 pm) If someone were driving a 12 y.o. clunker with 200,000 mi it's not worth anything monetarily except as wheels. If that owner can be induced to drop off that worthless rattletrap and get a $2000 check toward a newer more modern technology then we should all benefit.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 21, 2007 5:54 am) The problem is that you can't buy a newer vehicle for $2000. So a poorer family would be out of luck.
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