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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2007 5:48 am) I agree for their pocket books. NiMH batteries are not that expensive. I agree motors are pretty expensive, electronic controllers are pretty cheap. If you compared a stripped down Yukon for the cost in the low 30's to the hybrid in the low 50's, thats a 20K difference in price. All those new parts for the hybrid does not justify the 20k adder though. That's why think these numbers are little fishy and inflated. I agree, I beleive they will lower the price in about six months if they want to be competitive. God I hope you didn't pay the full MSRP for your Sequoia. Considering that this is their last year for this version and Toyota is moving to the new updated Tundra chassis.
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 15, 2007 7:20 am) NO way. I got it for $10k less than MSRP. Right at $4k under invoice. I bought the last year of the model as I don't want all the first year problems and it was a good buy. I am not a Toyota fan. I think the Sequoia, at least in this generation is a decent vehicle. I think Toyota electronics are behind GM by a few years. My 2005 GMC Sierra Hybrid PU with Bose stereo with XM standard is head and shoulders above the Sequoia sound system, that you cannot get XM or Sirrius even as a dealer add-on. On a long trip I was able to squeek out 22 MPG on my GMC hybrid. Around town it was mostly 15 MPG. Hopefully the new GMC hybrid will be better than the first try.
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Replying to: chadx (Nov 13, 2007 9:27 am) I have done those numbers before, and I still think that it may not be significant enough. Any increase is good, of course, but designing the vehicle lighter and with a smaller engine would possibly have greater effect. OK, 91 gallons a year is something, but I'm not sure if it is worth the hybrid premium, depending on what the extra cost of the hybridization comes to. I'm not sold that a battery pack is better than clean diesel for this purpose. After all, it is easier to refine diesel than gasoline. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 13, 2007 3:02 pm) 2nd. Every BoF SUV must use the 2-Mode or similar technology 3rd. Every truck must be a diesel 4th. Within 7 yrs all the older technology vehicles must be off the road." RE: Diesel. Bring it on, you can't buy them new in CA or I'd be driving one. RE: Retiring older cars. My daily driver is a 1987 Corolla FX. It runs cheap and needs little maintenance. I drive it because it is nimble and I like it, but a lot of people cannot afford new vehicles and don't have any choices. Are you personally planning on paying for those new cars?
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 15, 2007 5:57 pm) Pretty repressive ideas. Sounds like Hillary care for cars. Totally unrealistic. You will have to pry the steering wheel of my 1990 Lexus from my cold dead fingers. By the way many of the vehicles in the CA government agencies are CNG. Much cleaner than hybrids or diesels. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 15, 2007 7:51 am) The new hybrids should be better, but, at those prices I don't think is worth it.  GM has resposibility and duty to make these hybrids affordable for everyone for country and the environment. This is good example why the goverment will probably add more regulations in the future. Glad to hear you got a substancial discount on your Sequioa. My brother has one for many years and has had no trouble with it. The current Sequioa hasn't really changed in the last five years and not surprised that XM and other up to date goodies are not being offered. But, with the new updated Sequioa with the tundra chassis that should change.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 15, 2007 5:57 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 16, 2007 3:22 am) I still think you are doing more for the environment by keeping your cars for as long as possible, in good condition.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2007 6:15 am) The newer vehicles have more up to date emission contol components. Plus the air quality standards keep getting tougher. Newer vehicles have to meet the tougher air quality standards. So I beleive the newer the car ,the more friendler towards the air we breathe, generally speaking. Don't mean to disagree with you. I'll be at the LA Auto Show Friday the 23. I have not been in one in over 10 years. I use to go to the shows all of the time. Want to see the Yukon Hybrid and the Audi Q7 3.0L TDI (if they have one). Do a little conversing with the reps. If I'm lucky possibly spot somebody else.
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 16, 2007 9:31 pm) The newer vehicles are slightly cleaner than 20 year old technology. We just had our 1990 Lexus smogged. It was still very clean. I talked to the test fellow. He told me our car was as clean as many 5 year old cars. I think we have long passed the point of diminishing returns on cleaning gas engines. When a cars exhaust is cleaner coming out than the air going in, we need to look elsewhere to improve our air quality. You being in the LA area know where the bulk of the smog comes from, and it is not the cars on the highways. At this point the best thing we can do is reduce GHG. The modern diesel engine offers the most bang for the buck. I think the Q7 TDI that will soon go on sale is a great offering. With the blutec V6 it should get close to 30 MPG on the highway. The GL320 CDI that I tested had loads of power and real people are getting 28 MPG out on the road. Not too shabby for a 5300 lb vehicle. Compared to the RX400H that is 1000 lbs lighter, that only gets about 25 MPG on the highway. Plus the RX is much smaller and less capable off road. I think GM is missing the boat again by not putting their efforts into clean diesel instead of the hybrids. Jumping on some other auto maker's bandwagon is not the way to lead.
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