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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 09, 2007 9:21 am) That is the only thing I miss since selling my GMC Hybrid PU. I don't think the auto-stop saved enough gas to make any difference. It may have used more as there is a debate whether starting an engine uses more gas than idling for a minute or less. |
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 09, 2007 9:21 am) Yea, I could not find it in the product brochure but lists 7300Ibs for the gross vehicle weight for the regular Yukon, This includes passengers. The "problem" at this point may be minor such as battery or Hybrid motor or some other part availability (just guessing). If GM pushes out the introduction again then you know is something more serious. Problems like this always occur during the production of these complex vehicles or other items especially for the first year. I know I work in engineering, there always issues in complex projects like these and that's why the companies pay us the big bucks to resolve them. I rather see GM delay the introduction and produce it right then shipping out a lemon  . As for the Hybrid motors, perhaps it drains those Nickel Metal Hydride batteries faster than it was meant to. Lithium Ion batts are the way to go at least for the short term until a new exotic battery comes into fruitrition. The battery designer need to be careful though as lith ion batteries, if its not designed correctly, could explode or cause severe out gassing. Hence Toshiba and Dell Notebook recalls due to the lith ion batteries. Talk of polymer batteries might be the next thing but its all in paper. For Hybrid batteries its all about power and density and lithium ion seems to fit the bill at least for now. In some cases the Lith ion batteries can provide 50 percent more power in the same volume or space as with NiMH Batts. GM needs to get hot and release the hybrids.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 09, 2007 9:21 am) The T/Y 2Ms save more fuel than either of these two 'classic' hybrids. My alternate viewpoint, assuming that the 2Ms work as described, is that all BoF SUVs should have the 2-Mode system installed mandatorily. Doing this will save our country far more fuel than any other single step other than banning SUVs altogether, which will not happen barring some obscene fuel shortage. Yes hybrid components are complex and expensive to replace but reliability across the board has increased dramatically. Hybrids are among the most reliable vehicles at every manufacturer. Prius, Escape, Civic all are good bets not to leave you in a lurch. |
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Replying to: pear69 (Nov 07, 2007 10:26 pm) I really don't see how this could be an issue. The engine is still water cooled and all cooling channels still get the same amount of coolant flowed through them whether they are firing or de-activated. The heat build-up / differences between cylinders will not be significant enough to make things out of tolerances. Look how much air cooled engines expand and contract without issues. Since this is a water cooled engine, it's true that the tolerances will be tighter, but then, the operating heat range is smaller as well, with or without deactivated cylinders. Plus, like other have said, they are de-activated for very short time periods and if the 'brain' is deactivating them, it means you are on a very low power situation so the other cylinders are likely barely working at all. Basically in a coasting or idling work mode rather than a "make power" mode like when accellerating. At which time, all cyclinders will be working anyway. This technology has been around for quite a while (in everything from 4 stroke auto engines to two stroke outboard boat motors) so it's nothing new. No doom and gloom needed. |
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 09, 2007 8:02 pm) Since Toyota has abandoned LiIon for the 2009 Prius Refresh, I would be shocked if GM solved the problems inherent with current LiIon batteries. |
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Replying to: galvang (Nov 09, 2007 8:02 pm) Ford was originally going to put a hybrid powertrain in the Explorer. They halted the concept because it turned out that they could achieve the same MPG increase with a 6 speed transmission. A Ford Explorer is probably 2000 lbs lighter than a Yukon at full load. The point is that it takes a lot of energy to push that kind of mass up to speed, and I don't think that a 3 ton gas/electric hybrid is necessarily going to provide enough MPG savings and/or power.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 12, 2007 1:50 pm) Both of these are significant accomplishments.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 12, 2007 5:09 pm) Both of these are significant accomplishments." I understand your point, but I will wait to see what MPG the vehicles get in actual useage. The same point was made about the Sierra Hybrid P/U, and it was dismal in actual performance. If the difference is 1 MPG that is not a "whole lot of fuel saved for the country"... 
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Replying to: stevedebi (Nov 12, 2007 5:21 pm) Actually, it is when you are talking about such low mileage vehicles. It's more about percentage increase and number of gallons saved and not mpg increase. If real world numbers in a vehicle improve it from 15mpg to 16.5mpg, that is a real world increase of 10%. Toyota camry (I4 engine) is rated at 31 hwy vs Toy. Cam. Hybrid rated at 38 hwy (I don't know what the real world numbers are). That is a about a 23% increase. However (and it's a big however), look at the number of gallons of gas burned over 15,000 miles in a year. Changing from 15mpg (1,000 gallons) to 16.5mpg (909 gallons) saves 91 gallons a year. Changing from 31mpg (483 gallons) to 38mpg (394 gallons) saves only 89 gallons a year. What this shows is the planet would be way better off focusing on getting an extra 1 or 2 mpg out of the worst gas mileage vehicles rather than getting more mileage out of already high mileage vehicles. If they got the same 23% mileage improvement on the trucks, the difference would be even more obvious. Now you'd save 187 gallons a year. Of course, ideally, everyone would change the type/class of vehicle they drive to a smaller and inherently better mileage class, but if that is not going to happen, the real "world saving" differences will be seen improving the gas guzzlers and not the gas sippers. This has all been outlined before, but it was worth repeating because it is not an obvious train of thought. It's really all about using less gallons of gas a year. Improving the worst of the worst will prove far easier (and have a far larger impact) than improving the best of the best.
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Replying to: chadx (Nov 13, 2007 9:27 am) Yes, agreed. This should be our first order of business as a tion, actually 2nd IMHO. 1st.. Every government vehicle Federal or State must be either a hybrid or diesel. 2nd. Every BoF SUV must use the 2-Mode or similar technology 3rd. Every truck must be a diesel 4th. Within 7 yrs all the older technology vehicles must be off the road.
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