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Subaru Legacy/Outback Tire Issues

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Re: Bad Tires? [snowbelter] by jim2345
Sep 28, 2008 (7:16 pm)
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Replying to: snowbelter (Sep 28, 2008 5:33 pm)

Thanks for your reply. Did you know how bad the Pontenza's were before you bought your 07 Outback? Sounds like you have lots of experience with prior Outbacks - did they not have Pontenza's? It's bothering me a lot to have to accept tires like these on a brand new Outback because I consider them to be worthless and completely inexplicable on a vehicle with such cold weather credentials. I'd like to get the dealer to agree that they're terrible and put on something better before I take delivery.
 
You suggested a dedicated winter tire, which I think is what I may have to do. I did this with my Jeep after the Wranglers wore out. The Michelins I bought are 2 years old and have more tread on them now than most new tires. They're loud and the tread is very aggressive, but the Jeep is really a truck and doesn't handle nicely at highway speeds anyway. It has the dynamics of a brick so at highway speeds there's so much wind noise you can't hear how loud the tires are - I'm lucky I can hear the radio. In contrast, the Outback looks to be much more car-like so I'd like to give a set of good all-season tires a try first. Then if they don't perform well in winter I'll get a set of winter tires - but I'll run them all year round like I do now on my Jeep. This works for me because I do most of my driving in the winter. I just go around town and don't put on many miles during the warmer weather when the winter tires would otherwise get worn down prematurely. Do you run your Nokian WR's year round or change 'em over twice a year?
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Go Anywhere Tires by ethaskell
Sep 28, 2008 (7:42 pm)
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My '06 Outback is due for new tires at 33k miles. We drive freeways, back roads, dirt roads, and some desert "sorta" roads. The car is capable, but have not been able to find any on/off road rated tires in the 225 55R 17 size. Wold appreciate any suggestions.
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Re: Bad Tires? [jim2345] by snowbelter
Sep 29, 2008 (3:40 am)
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Replying to: jim2345 (Sep 28, 2008 7:16 pm)

The 02 and 04 Outbacks came with Potenza RE 92s which weren't very good. My dealer wasn't receptive to switching out tires, but some on this forum have reportedly done so. Yes, its annoying, at the least, to put done so much money for a new car only to have to think about spending more money on better tires.
 
We run the Nokians year round.
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Re: Bad Tires? [snowbelter] by jim2345
Sep 29, 2008 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: snowbelter (Sep 29, 2008 3:40 am)

Thanks again. I just looked online at your Nokians and they look like they can handle snow really well. And you run them year-round which is great because buying another set of wheels is not for me and changing them over twice a year is not a good solution either. So you're happy with these tires in both Summer and Winter?
 
You mentioned "expensive" - would you be willing to say how much for a set of 4?
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Re: Bad Tires? [jim2345] by paisan
Sep 29, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: jim2345 (Sep 29, 2008 7:44 am)

The RE92s are put on because the car is not exclusively sold in snow packed tundras and agressive tires would kill the EPA gas milage (same reason why you see street tires on most SUVs and Pickups these days).
 
I run Nokian Hakka RSi tires in the winter and dedicated summers on my LGT wagon. The RSi tires are the best I've ever used in snow on any car. But they are $190 shipped so they aren't cheap.
 
-mike
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Re: Bad Tires? [paisan] by newtosubaru
Sep 29, 2008 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 29, 2008 6:22 pm)

I have Goodyear TripleTreds on my wife's Malibu, and when I buy (hopefully very soon) the or another Outback I'm looking at, I want to put those on. They are great all-season. I have had a great experience with them. Living in MI we get all sorts of weather.
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Re: Bad Tires? [paisan] by jim2345
Sep 30, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 29, 2008 6:22 pm)

Hi Paisan,
 
Thanks for that explanation. I guess it makes sense to get the highest mileage estimate they can possibly attain, but here's my point. I don't know how many Outbacks are sold where but it seems clear the marketing people at Subaru are taking aim at colder climes. All I know is what I see for standard equipment - heated seats, heated mirrors, heated windshield wipers, ground clearance same as my Jeep, a sophisticated AWD system with VDC . . . BUT racetrack tires with a lousy treadwear rating of 260? Which one of these things doesn't belong??
 
I think they sell a ton of Outbacks in New England because people want a vehicle that can handle the weather and tires like these make no sense for this region on a vehicle that Subaru wants you to believe is up to the task.
 
As you said, you run Nokians in the winter. Why should any of us have to buy another set of tires for the new car we're buying? Most New Englanders run a single set of tires year round - just not tires like these.
 
   - Jim
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Re: Bad Tires? [jim2345] by snowbelter
Sep 30, 2008 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: jim2345 (Sep 29, 2008 7:44 am)

Last winter I was quoted $780 installed and lifetime balance (plus tax) for 225/55/17. In January 2007 I paid $574 for a set of 225/60/16 for a 2004 Outback. And by the time you get 40k on them there won't be much tread depth for snow.
 
They are fine in the summer and great in heavy rain.
 
Again, the downside is cost, not long-wearing, and they aren't quiet.
 
Upside is year round use, great in snow and ice, and no changeover costs or storage of another set of tires.
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Re: Bad Tires? [paisan] by snowbelter
Sep 30, 2008 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 29, 2008 6:22 pm)

IMO RE92s and 92As are used by Subaru for the reasons you cite. I also, suspect they buy them real cheap, too. Both of those tires are poorly rated by Tire Rack in several categories. There are many, many all-season tires which are rated much higher. I've found them unsettling even in light snow.
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Re: Bad Tires? [snowbelter] by jim2345
Sep 30, 2008 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: snowbelter (Sep 30, 2008 10:38 am)

Thank you. I appreciate the info and I think this is not too much to pay for tires that will make the Outback perform as advertised. Too bad tires like these are not included in the sticker price.
 
I'm going to try to work something out with my dealer - if they want to sell me an Outback. They must know how terrible these tires are for New England winters and I bet they've already heard from a lot of "satisfied" customers.
 
  - Jim

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