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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [british_rover] by fintail
Aug 24, 2007 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 24, 2007 7:01 pm)

Now AMG is as much a marketing tool as anything. I do not agree with this strategy, but I guess money talks.
 
I remember back in the day when seeing an AMG car was something special, and virtually all models had USA sales of under 1000 units per year. This was only 5-6 years ago!
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [texases] by fintail
Aug 24, 2007 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Aug 24, 2007 7:17 pm)

The headlights of the previous Camry/Solara/Lexus ES are ridiculous. I compare them to a woman who has had a few too many facelifts.
 
I didn't like the high sills on the Audi A6 I rented a couple weeks ago. This doesn't appear as bad as some, but I found it impossible to be really comfortable with my arm on the windowsill as I drive - which is a position I like.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [fintail] by british_rover
Aug 25, 2007 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 24, 2007 7:57 pm)

They did discontinue the R63 that has to make you happy. I think they are on the verge of discontinuing the G55 as well.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [british_rover] by fintail
Aug 25, 2007 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 25, 2007 6:42 am)

Yeah, I don't care for either of those. If I was to have a G-wagen it would be a 2 door diesel Euro model.
 
I just don't like how common they are now. I think W211 E55 production outnumber W210s by something like 6:1.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [fintail] by british_rover
Aug 25, 2007 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 25, 2007 12:13 pm)

Sometimes I think I would like one of those older E55s but then I always think I can get a Super V8 Jaguar for about the same money.
 
The Jag is almost as fast, has better styling IMO and is a lot less common.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [british_rover] by fintail
Aug 25, 2007 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 25, 2007 12:29 pm)

I saw one of those for sale around here not long ago. How many did they make? Those came out like in 04, right? I think they still cost a bit more than a W210 E55.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [fintail] by british_rover
Aug 25, 2007 (7:58 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Aug 25, 2007 4:30 pm)

There were Super V8s in 2003 but that was the older steel chassis X308. You could probably get one of those in the mid 20s or so and maybe a little less for a higher mileage one or a non-standard color. The X350 bodystyle is the one to get as that is the all aluminum chassis. It weights hundreds of lbs less then the X308 but is much a much larger car.
 
There are only four Super V8s listed for sale on cars.com in the whole country. One of them is a 2003 and the rest are new body style Jags. The new body style ones are a lot more then a W210 but they are still deprecating rapidly while the W210s are starting to level off some. Looks like a 2005 Super V8 can be had in the mid 40,000 range.
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Re: Top 10 bad styling ideas [british_rover] by fintail
Aug 26, 2007 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 25, 2007 7:58 pm)

Yeah, if I wanted one I would want a new bodystyle, that old one was really bland in my eyes. Mid 40s is too rich for my blood anyway.
 
A nice enough early W210 E55 can be had for 20K, the nicest late ones shouldn't hit 30K unless they are somehow special. I paid 28 for my 27K mile 2002 model last year. A decent 2003+ W211 E55 will still cost you 45K+, but I see this as a different car - different engine. The styling is very similar, I like some aspects of both cars - I prefer the older dashboard for one.
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Re: my criteria [Mr_Shiftright] by dweezil
Aug 27, 2007 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 03, 2007 2:06 pm)

*This is the definition of the Dodge Caliber : sharp angles, curves, stuck on tail lights, chaotic side view.The 21st Century Road Toad. Not cute, not pretty, not attractive. A real eye sore.
 
You have it described perfectly Mr Shiftright:"Front half has nothing to do with the back half", "things stick out, jut at crazy angles" and the most perfect description for this car wreck of a design: "Ridiculous Pomposity; call it the gold chain and hairy chest syndrome".
 
The Cadillac XLR meets this criteria as well.Lines going every which way,no definition, overwrought "art & science" bull****.
 
Everyone mentions the Aztek as the "gold standard" for ugly. Why not the Mitsubishi Montero? Both discontinued and both beyond ugly.Meets all your standards as well. It is as bad or worse than the Aztek, but with a lot of chrome and awful from every angle: lumps, strakes, cladding, curved where it should go straight. A mess.
The new Scion box takes the torch as the current offerings Aztek. UGH.
 
On my short list of the best [and soon no longer offered] : the Mazda 6 station wagon. It looks better than the sedan for some reason, balanced and finished off with beautiful tail lights.It's just perfect.Elegant.
Compare that to the Malibu Maxx.
 
Passat; again finished off with incredible tail lights.Looks chiseled out of a single piece of steel.
 
Other than a couple of ringers, I'd say the Edmund's community got the list just about right.
 
*Opinion solely that of the author, no insult, affront or flame intended. !!!!
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Worst technology disasters by texases
Sep 27, 2007 (11:25 am)
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Here's a different question - what do you think are the worst technology disasters? We're not talking looks, we're talking things that just didn't work well. Here are some of mine -
 
- Vega's aluminum engine
- Fiero's low-oil engine
- Corvair's undeveloped engine
- BMW's original iDrive system
 
Others?

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