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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by fleastiff
Apr 25, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 23, 2008 3:38 pm)

Some new clues ... and some new questions.
New Clue: At slow speeds and just after starting it is noticeably misfiring but as soon as I shift into REVERSE, boy does it get worse!! Far, far noiser and much more vibration!
 
Now I don't know if its relevant or not but one of the occasional drivers of the vehicle does have a habit of shifting from reverse to drive while still slightly in motion! (Yeah, I hate it. Don't think its a good thing to do. Don't know if its relevant to this problem though!).
 
I wonder if the AutoZone giving the codes only for Cylinder 1 means that Cyliners 3 and 4, which also had compression of less than 100 when tested, are now improved?
 
For various logistical reasons, I've not yet been able to get a tank of high-test into it yet, but will do so ASAP.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by 442dude
Apr 25, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 25, 2008 9:34 am)

I'm thinking more and more that you have a bad fuel injector for cylinder # 1 and who knows, maybe 3&4 too...maybe you want to throw a bottle of Techron in there next time you fill up - TIP: the Techron only treats 20 gallons, you may need to put 1-1/2 bottles in there to treat a full tank (27 gallons I think)
 
While shifting into drive while the car is still moving into reverse is typically not a good idea, I don't think that it caused this problem...
 
It makes sense that reverse would amplify the problem as reverse is ofter a "higher" gear than 1st gear so the misfire would be more obvious.
 
cylinders 3 & 4 have probably not improved but the car should still run acceptably even with compression numbers that are varied...
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by ul00173
Apr 25, 2008 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 23, 2008 3:38 pm)

OK, I have been watching the conversation for over a week now, and thought I would throw in my two bits on the Techron fuel injection approach. I own a 1999 Chevy Venture Wagon. We lived in Chicago, and after a few years, it started to run very rough in the colder weather, and we took it in to the Dealer. Recommendation: thoroughly clean the injectors.....$200+ to do....ran great for 6 months and started running rough again. I am not stupid, so I decided to use the Techron cleaning approach which is about $10 for 2000 miles or so....cheap! By the way, our 'service engine soon' light comes on regularly now (9 years old car)....and we just put the Techron in on the next couple of fill-ups. Runs great and never is really rough. Can't make excuses for a poorly designed engine and poorly designed idiot light system.....but if what you have is a rough engine, and a 'service engine light soon', I would put Techron in for about 3-4 tankfulls....a cheap approach. If that helps you are golden. If it doesn't help....you can move up the cost chain to try something else. Let us all know if it helped. I have been operating the car this way now for 6 years!
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [ul00173] by fleastiff
Apr 25, 2008 (10:19 pm)
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Replying to: ul00173 (Apr 25, 2008 7:39 pm)

Okay. I looked up "Techron" and found:
   A sequined yellow top worn by a cute model;
   A Fuel Additive concentrate;
   A Fuel Injector Cleaner.
I've figured out I should use the Fuel Injector Cleaner.
 
Sure sounds like its going to be a cheaper solution to go to an auto parts store and buy the Techron stuff than to pay 4500 for a new engine. Thanks guys. I'll let y'all know what happens.
 
In reading about that Techron Fuel Additive Concentrate, I saw mention of a claim that it also cleans the Fuel Sender. As I've had a wildly variable fuel guage for a long time, this product too might be a sensible thing to try as well.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by louied87
Apr 26, 2008 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 21, 2008 10:31 am)

I have a 98 and I've had to have fuel injectors replaced on several occasions. Usually, I just buy a fuel injector cleaner (and not the expensive stuff) and it quits. Mine check engine light never goes off and neither does my ABS light (even though I had brake work done). The mechanic said I'd have to take it to the dealer to have the ABS system looked at. So, I just live with it.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [ul00173] by fleastiff
Apr 27, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: ul00173 (Apr 25, 2008 7:39 pm)

Well, I went to the store and all I could get was some STP Fuel Injector Treatment which I added to the tank immediately after filling it with some 3.99 a gallon high-test. Its not Techron brand but I'll see what happens and will find a store with Techron if the problem doesn't resolve itself. The light still flashes and it clearly is misfiring, particularly in reverse. Still dies at red lights. Sounded a bit quieter but can't really tell for sure.
Thanks for all your help on this ... I sure prefer buying a double pack of STP Fuel Injector Treatment than paying 4500 for a new engine!
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [louied87] by 442dude
Apr 27, 2008 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: louied87 (Apr 26, 2008 7:53 pm)

FWIW - most ABS problems are related to a loose or damaged wire...its the first thing to look for....
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Techron additive by ul00173
Apr 27, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Keep adding the Techron for a few tankfulls....It eventually will clean the injectors. My 'Service Engine Soon' light is on almost all the time, and adding Techron will not necessarily make the light go off, but you should feel a smoother engine if it does the trick. I would ignore the dumb lights on this car. My 'Low Coolant' Light has been on for years, and my coolant is FULL. Go by the feel and common sense with this car....I have read that one must wait a few refills of the tank before the lights will get reset, "SES" light goes off....This happens in my car. I have also read in your thread that removing the ground battery terminal for 15 minutes will also reset the lights.....haven't tried this but it is worth a try....good luck....
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Re: Techron additive [ul00173] by fleastiff
Apr 29, 2008 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: ul00173 (Apr 27, 2008 6:36 pm)

Well, I ain't using Techron additive; I'm using STP Fuel Injector Treatment. Its what was on the store's shelf!
 
Does this make a difference?
If ONE container of STP Injector Treatment in a tank of gas is good... would TWO containers in that tank of gas be better? Or would it be better to just use up the second STP container with the next tank of high test that I add?
 
Someone told me that with all my "slow driving" around town and short trips to the grocery store, etc. I should take the Chevy out to the Freeway and "open her up" to 70mph for atleast five minutes. Should I be listening to stuff like that? And wouldn't ONE minute at 70mph be just as good as FIVE?
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by fleastiff
Apr 30, 2008 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 25, 2008 9:42 am)

>the Techron only treats 20 gallons, you may need to put 1-1/2 bottles in there to treat a full tank (27 gallons I think)
 
I'm using STP Fuel Injector Treatment (It was on the store's shelf, Techron was not).
I put in only one container of it. It said 'Treats up to 21 gallons'. I added it after adding almost a full tank of hightest but I don't think my tank holds more than 23 gallons.
 
Don't know if one container is good why two containers wouldn'b be better though.

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