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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by fleastiff
Apr 22, 2008 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 21, 2008 4:56 pm)

Go to autozone or your local auto parts chain...
There is an AutoZone in town and an Advance Auto Parts fairly nearby. I'll try there ASAP, but its hard to drive a vehicle that threatens to stall at every stop sign and light.
>they have the secret decoder ring and they do it for free
After that 200 oil and radiator change and the 400 tuneup, 'free' sounds real good1
  
>check your oil - if it looks like a chocolate milkshake, its got coolant in it
Nope.. looks like oil.
  
> there are no shortcuts....
Alas!
>you need the codes to determine what the car is trying to tell you is wrong,
It seems to be trying to tell me more insistently whenever I back up or slow down for a traffic light. I wonder why AFTER the tune up it is still misfiring, particularly when the mechanic tried squirting oil into the cylinder and it still didn't help the compression.
Thanks for you help.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by 442dude
Apr 22, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 22, 2008 7:03 am)

Ultimately I believe that you're going to find out that you have an ignition problem: either a coil issue or crankshaft position sensor perhaps...I really find it hard to believe that your motor is shot based upon the info so far...IMHO your mechanic shouldn't be doing a compression check at this point, he should be doing a leak down test to check the integrity of the head/head gasket but if there's no antifreeze in your oil I'm not thinking that's your problem....if you make it to autozone, post the codes and I'll look them up and hopefully will be able to help you more. Good Luck
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by fleastiff
Apr 23, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 22, 2008 7:29 am)

>I believe you have an ignition problem: either coil or crankshaft position sensor.
It seems you may indeed be correct. The Autozone guy said there were two codes: P0301 and P0301-Pending.
 
>I really find it hard to believe that your motor is shot based upon the info so far
Yes. I'm a bit doubtful too. Worried about it though. Surely a coil sounds cheaper than a new engine. I got new wires and new plugs and a tune up, but I don't think that included a new ignition coil. Things like crankshaft sensors and cam sensors and timing chains are beyond me though, but even those things sound cheaper than a new engine!
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by 442dude
Apr 23, 2008 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 23, 2008 2:31 pm)

OK...P0301 is a misfire on cylinder # 1 (like you didn't know that already) the pending code of the same # means that the computer tried to reset itself and still has the same problem as when it was reset...
 
So there's only a misfire on 1 cylinder...not 3...Here's what I think:
 
1. - Clogged or dead fuel injector...no gas=no fire...
  
2. Bad coil - If you're getting fuel, I'm not convinced you're getting a good spark at cylinder # 1...if I remember right...the car idles very rough...take off the spark plug wire for cylinder # 1 and start the motor...can you tell any difference? If its no worse, maybe you've got a bad coil...
 
3. PCM - the computer could be fried...but I doubt it...
 
4. Bad head gasket...but you already said before that your oil looks good with no coolant in it so I doubt this one too...
 
I wish you the Best of luck...the more I research, the more it leads me towards the fuel injector or the ignition coil for cylinder # 1...the Venture has 3 coils...I hope I have helped, even just a little...
 
John
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by fleastiff
Apr 25, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 23, 2008 3:38 pm)

Some new clues ... and some new questions.
New Clue: At slow speeds and just after starting it is noticeably misfiring but as soon as I shift into REVERSE, boy does it get worse!! Far, far noiser and much more vibration!
 
Now I don't know if its relevant or not but one of the occasional drivers of the vehicle does have a habit of shifting from reverse to drive while still slightly in motion! (Yeah, I hate it. Don't think its a good thing to do. Don't know if its relevant to this problem though!).
 
I wonder if the AutoZone giving the codes only for Cylinder 1 means that Cyliners 3 and 4, which also had compression of less than 100 when tested, are now improved?
 
For various logistical reasons, I've not yet been able to get a tank of high-test into it yet, but will do so ASAP.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by 442dude
Apr 25, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 25, 2008 9:34 am)

I'm thinking more and more that you have a bad fuel injector for cylinder # 1 and who knows, maybe 3&4 too...maybe you want to throw a bottle of Techron in there next time you fill up - TIP: the Techron only treats 20 gallons, you may need to put 1-1/2 bottles in there to treat a full tank (27 gallons I think)
 
While shifting into drive while the car is still moving into reverse is typically not a good idea, I don't think that it caused this problem...
 
It makes sense that reverse would amplify the problem as reverse is ofter a "higher" gear than 1st gear so the misfire would be more obvious.
 
cylinders 3 & 4 have probably not improved but the car should still run acceptably even with compression numbers that are varied...
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [442dude] by ul00173
Apr 25, 2008 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: 442dude (Apr 23, 2008 3:38 pm)

OK, I have been watching the conversation for over a week now, and thought I would throw in my two bits on the Techron fuel injection approach. I own a 1999 Chevy Venture Wagon. We lived in Chicago, and after a few years, it started to run very rough in the colder weather, and we took it in to the Dealer. Recommendation: thoroughly clean the injectors.....$200+ to do....ran great for 6 months and started running rough again. I am not stupid, so I decided to use the Techron cleaning approach which is about $10 for 2000 miles or so....cheap! By the way, our 'service engine soon' light comes on regularly now (9 years old car)....and we just put the Techron in on the next couple of fill-ups. Runs great and never is really rough. Can't make excuses for a poorly designed engine and poorly designed idiot light system.....but if what you have is a rough engine, and a 'service engine light soon', I would put Techron in for about 3-4 tankfulls....a cheap approach. If that helps you are golden. If it doesn't help....you can move up the cost chain to try something else. Let us all know if it helped. I have been operating the car this way now for 6 years!
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [ul00173] by fleastiff
Apr 25, 2008 (10:19 pm)
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Replying to: ul00173 (Apr 25, 2008 7:39 pm)

Okay. I looked up "Techron" and found:
   A sequined yellow top worn by a cute model;
   A Fuel Additive concentrate;
   A Fuel Injector Cleaner.
I've figured out I should use the Fuel Injector Cleaner.
 
Sure sounds like its going to be a cheaper solution to go to an auto parts store and buy the Techron stuff than to pay 4500 for a new engine. Thanks guys. I'll let y'all know what happens.
 
In reading about that Techron Fuel Additive Concentrate, I saw mention of a claim that it also cleans the Fuel Sender. As I've had a wildly variable fuel guage for a long time, this product too might be a sensible thing to try as well.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [fleastiff] by louied87
Apr 26, 2008 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: fleastiff (Apr 21, 2008 10:31 am)

I have a 98 and I've had to have fuel injectors replaced on several occasions. Usually, I just buy a fuel injector cleaner (and not the expensive stuff) and it quits. Mine check engine light never goes off and neither does my ABS light (even though I had brake work done). The mechanic said I'd have to take it to the dealer to have the ABS system looked at. So, I just live with it.
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Re: 2000 Chevy Venture Misfiring and SES Light. [ul00173] by fleastiff
Apr 27, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: ul00173 (Apr 25, 2008 7:39 pm)

Well, I went to the store and all I could get was some STP Fuel Injector Treatment which I added to the tank immediately after filling it with some 3.99 a gallon high-test. Its not Techron brand but I'll see what happens and will find a store with Techron if the problem doesn't resolve itself. The light still flashes and it clearly is misfiring, particularly in reverse. Still dies at red lights. Sounded a bit quieter but can't really tell for sure.
Thanks for all your help on this ... I sure prefer buying a double pack of STP Fuel Injector Treatment than paying 4500 for a new engine!

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