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#995 of 2002 Re: Quick test drive: FWD 09 TL [graphicguy] - Break in
Oct 04, 2008 (6:00 pm)
I'm not sure what the hell you claim you were seeing on your tour of the Acura plant, but let me say that the idea that "break in" is a thing of the past is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. If anything, proper break in for high compression, high revving, high performance engines is much more critical to achieving maximum performance and longevity than it was to your dad's push rod Buick. Or Chevy Corvettes.
I currently own a 2005 Porsche 911 S and 2004 Acura TL 6-speed. Formerly owned a Honda S2000. In the case of the Porsche, it is specifically stated in the owners manual that one should not exceed 4,200 rpms in the first 800 miles. This for an engine that redlines at 7,100. For the Honda, the instruction was not to exceed 4,500 rpm for the first 1,000 miles on an engine that redlined at 9,000 rpm. In both case, but especially the 911, an additional break in recommendation was not to drive the car for short hops during break in - the 911 has 9.5 quarts of Mobil 1 that take at least 15-20 minutes of driving to reach operating temperature. The 911 is a workhorse as far as sports cars go, but the one "problem" of rear main seal leaks coincided with not allowing the engine to reach full operating temperature and expand the seals and gaskets fully DURING BREAK IN.
I'm not a mechanical engineer. But I have spoken extensively with senior engineers from Honda, Acura, Porsche and BMW. Every one stressed proper break in as critical.
Do whatever you want to your own car, but don't spread some urban legend that break in isn't important. And if you don't believe me, ask someone who actually knows the engineering behind a Porsche, AMG, BMW Motorsport, Ferrari or Honda S2000 engine. Is the TL in that league? No. But it's close enough to warrant care and consideration.
#997 of 2002 Re: Quick test drive: FWD 09 TL [graphicguy] - Break in [habitat1]
Oct 05, 2008 (8:18 am)
What is your take on the new TL?
I think more than likely its going to be my next car, I test drove the FWD version and really liked it.However I am opting for AWD, pearl white with the umber interior along with those FCS 19" wheels they offer as an accesory.I am waiting for the hype to cool off then I will try to work a deal.
#1001 of 2002 Re: Quick test drive: FWD 09 TL [graphicguy] - Break in [habitat1] [billyperks2]
Oct 05, 2008 (1:27 pm)
....Billy - damn glad to see you around. It's been a long time since we did the "my Maxima is quicker than your TL-S" and vice versa, but those were great times.
I haven't personally seen or driven the new TL yet. A couple of trustworthy sources have told me the TL-SH-AWD is very impressive in the handling department, so I think you are going the right way with AWD. One of my few complaints on my 2004 TL 6-speed is that FWD and nearly 3,500 lbs (vs. 3,000 for the 95 Max) makes the handling front heavy. The AWD version is still front heavy and front drive biased, but apparantly the SH-AWD system goes a long way to mitigating most of the handling issues.
Me, I'd opt to wait for the 2010 with a 6-speed manual.
One thing I'd caution you on with the 19" wheels is making sure you budget big bucks for tire replacement. I got 155k miles out of three sets of tires on my Max (15", 215 HR60). Total replacement costs of under $550 per set. I only have 32k miles on my TL 6-speed w/ the HPT package (17", 235 ZR 45) and I am on my third set. At closer to $900+ per set for decent tires. The second (first replacement) set was a big error on my part - listened to the Tire Rack advice that Avon Tech tires were nearly as good as Michelens. They lasted a whopping 13k miles, flat spotted after sitting for an hour, were noisy as hell, vibrated like they were out of balance and never tracked straight on the highway. Lost air to add insult to injury. So go for those 19" wheels if you want, but be prepared for some serious bucks over the years on replacement rubber. And if you try to penny pinch with Avons, don't say I didn't warn you.
Take care - hope all has been well with you.