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Re: 2009 Acura TL [xrunner2] by paisan
May 09, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (May 09, 2007 9:04 am)

I guess that the place to put weight is what some anonymous internet poster says about which cars "perform" best.
 
Well, we aren't talking about a race car owner, in which case there is significant testing, recording and every minute fact is recorded (as a race car team owner, on an amature level, even I do this). However the weight I put on a performance driving machine for an individual is to get out there and really test drive what you want to buy. I'm not talking about a 5 min 45mph test drive. Rent/borrow/steal the car you want, make sure it has the tires you like and take it for a good run, a weekend if possible. Only then will you get a true feeling of if this car is for you.
 
I've seen the tests that the automotive press does on cars and I'm not impressed in the slightest with the results, not necessarily due to their own doing, however a handling test is very effected by the tires, pressures and temps and if they just take whatever is doled out to them for the test-ride, then you as the consumer will get a skewed result. Take for example a car such as the Subaru STi or the Legacy SpecB. Both of these vehicles come with 18" rims and super grippy summer tires. Their conventional counterparts the WRX and Legacy GT come with Bridgeston RE92s which are all season sub-par at best tires in terms of performance. One might be "tricked" into believing that the handling of the cars fitted from the factory with the summer performance tires out perform the standard ones by a lot more than they actually do.
 
So what I'm saying is take everything with a grain of salt, don't base everything on a writeup in a magazine or a skidpad number. Look at the total package and get out there and test it yourself!
 
-mike
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [paisan] by xrunner2
May 09, 2007 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: paisan (May 09, 2007 9:33 am)

So what I'm saying is take everything with a grain of salt, don't base everything on a writeup in a magazine or a skidpad number. Look at the total package and get out there and test it yourself!
 
Agree that one's own testing, and on multitude of road types, is obviously required. Do this a couple, few times. Would not trust a "single" write-up of a road test on a car from a magazine to help pick a possible new car. But, do feel confident about considering a new car to look at and test drive when there is a consensus good opinion about the attributes of a car from multiple sources - magazines, tv, newspapers, online. An example would be the consensus good reviews on 3-series. However, would not consider even looking at a car to go see/test drive if consensus is mediocre or negative.
 
This is no different than trusting movie reviews or restaurant reviews or other reviews. If 3 movie reviewers (small number compared to possible sources of review of a car) give a movie one-half, one and one star, and then reading write-up gives reasons, there is no way I will waste time/money to go to that movie. Same with restaurant reviews.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [xrunner2] by paisan
May 09, 2007 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (May 09, 2007 10:08 am)

My point being that the test mules and "stock" cars often have varying tires, so even though a concensus of articles may say "poor handling" it may be due to the fact that they all pulled from the same exact fleet of "press cars" and/or ones with inherintly poor stock tires. Hence why some cars do a lot better than others in terms of handling when there is a writeup done. In the case of the G35 v. Acura we are discussing here, perhaps (and I don't know the facts) the G35 comes with RE92 aka crappy tires and the Acura comes with RE950 aka good summer tires. Then the Acura is going to get a better handling writeup v. G35, however if the G35 had RE950s it might have handled better than the Acura.
 
-mike
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Re: Come-On....... [paisan] by rockylee
May 09, 2007 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 09, 2007 3:41 am)

I had Bridgestones on my TL, but exact model I don't recall. They were summer tires.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by paisan
May 09, 2007 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 09, 2007 6:17 pm)

Haaa, they make a range, from bad to outstanding
 
But put a set of Azenis Sports or Toyo RA1s on these cars and then put em out on the skid pad
 
-mike
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Re: Come-On....... [paisan] by rockylee
May 09, 2007 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 09, 2007 6:37 pm)

Yeah, I heard both are pretty sticky but expensive.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by paisan
May 09, 2007 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 09, 2007 6:43 pm)

RA1s are expensive about $150-160 a tire.
Azenis run $115-120 for 17" tires, a bargain in my book.
 
-mike
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Re: Come-On....... [paisan] by rockylee
May 09, 2007 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 09, 2007 6:49 pm)

A bargain lol.....Well for the wealthy like you it might !!!!
 
-Rocky

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