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Re: true... [eldaino] by rockylee
May 07, 2007 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (May 07, 2007 11:24 am)

Heard Dat !!!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [scottm123] by rockylee
May 07, 2007 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: scottm123 (May 07, 2007 11:28 am)

scottm123,
 
I will have to keep a close eye on that site.....I've visited it in the past and would have thought by now somebody would of gotten a good pic of one.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by scottm123
May 07, 2007 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 07, 2007 12:16 pm)

I was talking to some of the guys over at my Acura dealer while they were servicing the MDX.
 
They said that Acura has the new TL very tight under wraps and only a select few even have details as to where it's being developed.
I was also told that they have secure airspace... although I have a hard time believing half the stuff these guys tell me.
 
I'd imagine that if the TL gets half the updates we're dreaming of, they'll need to do a real hard look at the RL as well.... or it's pathetic sales will only get worse.
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Re: Come-On....... [scottm123] by rockylee
May 07, 2007 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: scottm123 (May 07, 2007 12:55 pm)

The RL, needs definetly go RWD before it's to late. It's a nice car but boy it's image is hurting. They better drop the V10 VTEC in it and hope that cures all it's ills.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by autoboy16
May 07, 2007 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 07, 2007 2:26 pm)

now that just overdoes it! A v10 RL?
 
Shave off 500lbs from the RL, drop the price to 42k, an optional v8 (or w8. GM has a w8 in the works by combining the new 3.6l engine), and a refreshed looks and you have a great RL!
 
The new 3.7lv6, sh-awd, and a couple of other things would be great for the RL also! This new engine made the MDX a serious sports SUV!!
 
-Cj
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Re: Come-On....... [autoboy16] by rockylee
May 07, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (May 07, 2007 5:33 pm)

A V6 in a RL, will not cut it and the 3.7 only has 10 more horses thus without a turbo or supercharger it's really worthless to stick with a V6. The RL, is getting left in the dust because it has a major power problem that's not even competitive and it could use a better interior/exterior design as well along with a few nifty new gadgets. It's fallen behinf in that department as well. The biggest problem for the RL, will be the Hyundai, Genesis. But enough about the RL.
 
The Acura TL, needs at least 330 or more horses if they want the SH-AWD to be competitive. Acura, should add the cylinder shut-off option on the TL to help fuel economy in OD/6th gear. The bottom line (Option-A) is I'd rather them keep the 3.2 V6 add cylinder cut-off technology and then add a couple of Twin Turbo's to get the power up their. Option (B) would be to use their hybrid motor on the 3.2 to help power the TL, which would add performance and fuel economy like Lexus, does with it's Synergy System. Either one of those idea's are good one for the the future of the TL, which gives it class leading power and efficiency as this corrupt government implements CAFE standards.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by autoboy16
May 08, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 07, 2007 6:39 pm)

That hybrid idea seems to be what honda did to the accord...
 
I think that the hybrid system would add to much weight. Then it would reduce the ride quality of the TL. IMO until honda does a 2mode hybrid like GM or Toyota, then it shouldn't be used.
 
Maybe if honda uses the twin turbos for the next type-s? The regular 3.2lv6 could probably be tweaked to 260(only 2hp) A turbo should take it to 300 and twin should take it to 330hp. But 330hp in a front driver is sort of scary but I admit it will put sh-awd to real use.
 
If honda makes a v6-v8 diesel engine for its SUVs, maybe honda could drop it off in the TL and RL too. Mercedes E320bluetec gets 700miles per tank and 236hp. Its sport comes from its 400lb ft of torque. If honda/acura made a 3.5-4l diesel and it had 245hp and 450lb ft of torque, the all will be right with the world.
 
Lastly, i'm still stuck on the fence of a RWD TL. RWD adds weight to the rear but it also adds weight. The current TL-s already pulls .91Gs on the skid pad which is better than than the RWD IS350 and G35(7).
 
But also we have to consider that the A4 is AWD and beat out an m5. Whos to say that acura's will be boring to drive with Sh-awd and stronger engines? For now, honda should just market VTM-4 in the TSX and TL until the next generation begins.
 
-Cj
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Re: Come-On....... [autoboy16] by rockylee
May 08, 2007 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (May 08, 2007 1:09 pm)

autoboy16, love to see any of your proposals make it to market.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Come-On....... [rockylee] by paisan
May 09, 2007 (3:41 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (May 08, 2007 7:36 pm)


Lastly, i'm still stuck on the fence of a RWD TL. RWD adds weight to the rear but it also adds weight. The current TL-s already pulls .91Gs on the skid pad which is better than than the RWD IS350 and G35(7).

 
I've asked before, and I'll ask again, what are the tires on these vehicles during the tests? Stock? Aftermarket? How many times did they check the pressures and re-test? The "skidpad" test is only as good as the tires, pressures and repeatability.
 
-mike
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [paisan] by xrunner2
May 09, 2007 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 25, 2007 8:14 am)

Percieved performance is what we are talking about here. By the way I don't put any weight in "test" done by magazines or any online sources. In the real world performance the RWD cars will have a significant advantage in terms of being better balanced etc.
 
I guess that the place to put weight is what some anonymous internet poster says about which cars "perform" best.
 
What is difference in "perceived performance" and actual measured performance with test data such as lap times, slalom, skid pad? Which is better for determining which car has better "Capabilities" - perception or actual test data?
 
If at race track (horse) practice would you just watch your horse (an owner) doing a lap and say it was the fastest or might you want to know its lap time compared to other horses' times? After all, your perception might be that your horse is the fastest. But, is it?

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