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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by autoboy16
Apr 25, 2007 (4:16 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 7:35 pm)

Many owners and even I'm starting to believe that with acura(honda's ) engine expertise, with a great balance of sport and comfort, the TL could be the ultimate car if it was RWD.
 
Sh-awd is ok but it weighs alot! Also acura needs a 6-8speed automatic for better fuel economy.
 
If it had the same base engine but tuned to get 260hp, and 250lb ft of torque, it could get the 3.7l v6 tuned to 310hp and 280lb ft of torque. It would be a great car! I just hope it gets RWD or Sh-awd or Both since the TL has 61% of its weigh on the front tires. I guess a Limited slip would fix the torque steer.
 
-Cj
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [autoboy16] by paisan
Apr 25, 2007 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Apr 25, 2007 4:16 am)

The problem with tuning out a V6 is that no matter what you do, you'll still have a ver /\ pointy torque curve as opposed to a blocky one found on a V8. So combine that with the SH-AWD sucking down weight and driveline drag and you'll have an anemic car. With that said I'd love to see a RWD V6 version of the TL or TSX but I'm afraid that HA is still stuck on FWD based cars for the long haul.
 
-mike
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by scottm123
Apr 25, 2007 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 7:35 pm)

Agreed, but one word I never used in my post is "failure"
The TL is what it is, and Acura does what's needed to keep that flame alive.
It has a massive following and people buy them regardless of the shortcomings, or what could have made them better.
It's an awesome car and for the money, an awesome value.
(And this is coming from a guy who just bought a G35)
 
I so wanted to like the 07 TL Type-S but for me, it just fell short.
Adding SH-AWD to the existing TL Type-S, I most likely would have bought it.
 
Yeah, folding rear seats are nice, but no deciding factor for me.
If Acura wants my advice, stick with a solid and tested engine but get it over the 300 hp mark, add SH-AWD and a 6-speed manual, and DO NOT make the car smaller.
Stick with what makes the TL such a nice car, and just make it better.
 
Oh, and Acura, enough of the plastic wood, huh?
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [scottm123] by paisan
Apr 25, 2007 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Apr 25, 2007 5:48 am)

SH-AWD and a 6-speed manual
 
I don't think they have an application of the SH-AWD + manual, there are very few MT systems out there with AWD, Audi and Subaru being the only ones I know of.
 
-mike
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [paisan] by scottm123
Apr 25, 2007 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 25, 2007 5:52 am)

I know, I know...
I had that post all written up and previewed it, and thought... hey, since this is a wish list for the 09 TL, why not go all the way, and so, I added the 6-Speed.
 
Just a wish list and most likely, very far from reality.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [scottm123] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Apr 25, 2007 5:48 am)

Agree. They really need to push the envelope with the 09' TL. We all know it will be built on the FWD 08' Honda Accord, so SH-AWD will be the only solution. My opinion is they should put the 3.2 back in and Twin-Turbo it with those turbo's from the RDX. The 3.2 V6 is still a great engine. I assume a 3.7 is a bored and stroked bigger version of the 3.5 V6 ?
 
I do think Acura, needs to hit the hp. mark because it gives up the advantages of RWD with FWD/SH-AWD. To make it most cost effective they should make SH-AWD standard as it would cut production costs for the SH-AWD making it more ecoomically viable and it is indeed a great system as I've felt it's use in a 05' RL, when I baught my 05' TL
 
I also agree the six-speed needs to return. what the hell were they thinking by making that a Type-S only feature ????
 
I also agree the cheap looking fake wood was a big deal. That is why I baught the ebony interior in my 2005' that had the much better looking faux carbon fiber trim. I have pics of my former Acura TL on my carspace page here:
 
http://www.carspace.com/rockylee/Albums/2005%20Acura%20TL/
 
Rocky
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I also would like too see the Anthracite paint return...... by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (6:11 am)
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I just hope they don't ruin the TL's sleek styling. We will see good or bad probably this next Detroit Autoshow.
 
Rocky
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by scottm123
Apr 25, 2007 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 6:05 am)

And your pic brings me to another thought.
What the heck is that thing hanging from your steering column???
I love the G's Intelligent Key.
Enough with integrating the key into a 2lb fob... make the thing keyless.
 
As for the Twin-Turbo... One thing I loved about the TL is the economy. For a Sports Sedan with that power, it did awesome on the highway.. I had it up to 36 mpg.
Taking the guts from the RDX will destroy the economy of this car, especially on the SH-AWD platform.
 
They'll need to find a balance and I'm not sure if the Turbo fits the bill.
Acura has tried the turbo in the RDX, but it has failed to impress me.
I know it's a 4, but the thing does not offer what others call acceleration excitement. It suffers from turbo lag.
Let them continue to use the RDX and maybe even the TSX for their turbo experiments.
Until it's perfected, keep it very far away from the TL.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [scottm123] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Apr 25, 2007 6:55 am)

Yes my fuel economy in my TL, would get 36-37 mpg on a flat road. I got 37 mpg with the wind against my back. The car was flat-out awesome. I liked the idea of turbo-charging because it would not eat the fuel economy #s like a bigger engine. I say take the 3.2 and Twin-Turbo it. I'm okay with turbo-lag if it returns the power. I have not driven the RDX, but the lil' 4-banger does do pretty good with all that weight. What other solution is their to push the hp. performance numbers where they need to be with SH-AWD ? The TL, needs to best the new CTS, 335i, G35, it it wants to gain any market-share. It also needs to keep those fuel economy numbers up as those are expected from a honda. If the 2009' Acura TL, becomes great like my former 2005 was.... I might be able to put my bad experience behind me with Honda, and risk buying or leasing a SH-AWD TL. That however will depend on a lot variables and I don't believe they will follow through but I sure hpe they do.
 
Rocky
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by scottm123
Apr 25, 2007 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 7:13 am)

If Acura wants the TL to do well in the performance segment, they need to keep the Type-S, but give it more than 20 HP and an ugly set of wheels.
 
The TL sells in staggering numbers, but most of what I see on the road are driven by professional, middle-aged people, and older.
 
Keep the base TL where it is, with a new body style and tech updates.
That will sell to the current peeps who love what they already have and are ready for something new.
 
Put the cash into the Type-S and let it compete with those mentioned above.
The 08 CTS-V is gonna be crazy fast, but I personally think Cady builds crap and would never buy one.
The TL needs to go where BMW and Infiniti have not yet gone, all while keeping the dependability that Honda/Acura buyers expect and demand.
 
Engineers have their hands full, that's for sure.

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