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#300 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!!... (acura06tl) [hpmctorque]
Mar 19, 2008 (12:51 pm)
I have owned a BMW 3 series before. It was a 1992 BMW 318 i sedan. The reason why i got rid of it and got myself an Acura was because the RWD BMW handles poorly on snow. Its a summer car and had the same steering wheel issue on highway speeds (120 kms to 130 kms) like the current Acura TL.
Your point is exactly what I was trying to say. "the currently New TL may be a good FWD imitation of a 3-series." IF you compare the interior design of the current TL with a 1999-2005 3 series, you will see many of the same design cues. Especially with the style and lines of the door panel and the passenger side front dash - deja vu !! But don't get me wrong, I love the way my 06 TL looks from the inside out. It's just the handling that I am not to happy with. Though the current TL is a FWD, it slides, slips and skids like the RWD 318 i that i had.
I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow. With my 06 TL, I have to check the weather forecast like I did before when i had my 318 i prior to going out in the winter. I DONT WANT TO BE STUCK IN SNOW ! Which did happened 3 times this winter with my 06 TL. I did not once experience that when I was driving the 2001 3.2 TL.
I look forward to the ALL NEW 2009 TL with the AWD as a standard!
#301 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!!... (acura06tl) [acura06tl]
Mar 19, 2008 (1:20 pm)
"I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow..."
Ditto (so dissapointingly so) re: my '05 TL. Finally threw in the towel, after replacing the OEM Bridgestone's last summer with even worse in the snow Toyos, and bought Dunlop Winter tires. Much better now, although since I mounted the snows, not much snow to drive in (plows are too darn efficient!). But, when I did drive in the snow, much better...
#302 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing...acura06tl)(laurasdada)
Mar 19, 2008 (1:43 pm)
I've read your comments with interest regarding how this last generation TL handles in snow, and it gives me some pause regarding buying one because, why put up with the negatives of FWD if traction is not good? You at least want the benefit of good traction, as a tradeoff for handling that, while very good, would be better with RWD. I'm thinking that a set of snow tires would correct matters, but, then, they shouldn't be a requisite on a FWD car, except in places like the upper Midwest and northern New England.
I'm the original owner of a '99 Tl with 109,000 miles, and I couldn't be happier with it. The ride/hadnling tradeoff is good. I understand Acura softened the ride of the ccurrent generation TL just a little, beginning with the '07 model.
I'm not thrilled with the notion of AWD, because of the extra weight, complexity, a lower fuel economy compared with two wheel drive. I hope SH-AWD is an option on the '09 TL.
#303 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing...acura06tl)(laurasdada) [hpmctorque]
Mar 19, 2008 (3:31 pm)
I agree with you re: FWD. As I've oft noted, I'm a lifelong New Englander and skier. I've purposely bought (fun) FWD cars (e.g. VW Scirocco, Acura Integra, Mitsu Mirage Turbo) for the snow advantages of FWD. Until the '05 TL, it has served me more than well. Oh, well.
Still, the TL is a fab ride. Given I don't track or regularly drive 9 or 10/10ths, the TL goes where I point it with little drama. And, if I play the right peddle correctly, it swiftly goes in a straight line, all the while looking great with a lovely audio system. My family fits inside as do my skis with the pass through. I average 23mpg commuting. Nice ride and NVH. I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done. I chose the TL over the G35x for a number of reasons, including not wanting the added weight and complexity of AWD. Snows can be swapped... In summary, FWD has never been a negative to me.
Having written this, had I known how poorly the TL was in my white gold, I might have given more consideration to a 3 or RWD G... Now that I have snows/rims, I'm hoping that they will fit my next ride as I will be considering rwd seriously. As well as FWD and possibly AWD (Audi A/S5?!).
#304 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada)
Mar 19, 2008 (8:30 pm)
"...I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done..."
Your comments are enlightening.
I'd mount snow tires on a FWD car in winter if I lived in or traveled to the snow belt (I live in the Mid Atlantic region}. One of my cars is a RWD 3-Series, and snows make a significant difference in the traction on slippery surfaces.
I await the '09 Tl with much interest, but I'm concerned that, like the new Accord, the TL may grow too large. I'll also look at the '09 TSX and the all new Audi A4.
#305 of 2002 Re: NYC Auto Show [acura06tl]
Mar 20, 2008 (10:25 am)
I am going either next Wednesday or Thursday, that's when the full scope of the Manufacturers products are revealed.The first few days shows a limited selection.
#306 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada) [hpmctorque]
Mar 20, 2008 (4:01 pm)
I wouldn't pin too much hope on the new TSX. From what I've gathered so far, the question is "why did Acura even bother?"
#307 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada) [bodble2]
Mar 20, 2008 (8:18 pm)
I'm guessing that Acura didn't want to mess with success- the current TSX has sold extremely well and has extremely strong resale values.
I kind of like the '09 TSX- the design language works better on the TSX than the RL or the MDX.
#308 of 2002 Re: NYC Auto Show [billyperks2]
Mar 21, 2008 (6:26 am)
There aren't any salespeople at the Auto Shows. They'll give a handout with all the local area dealerships.
#309 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada) [jchan2]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:49 am)
The disappointment is that, aside from the similar styling, the '09 gains size and weight, but also suffers a drop in hp. Doesn't sound like a formula for excitement.