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#298 of 2002 COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!! HIGH HOPES for the 2009 TL
Mar 18, 2008 (7:44 pm)
I am driving a 06 TL. It's got great style and class. I can take the girlfriend out on a Friday night with my 06 TL and yet drive my mother to Sunday Church. You know what I mean......the car is COOL for the ladies and comfortable for the family.
I had a 2001 3.2 TL before and had driven it for years. The handling was great, smooth SMOOTH acceleration (feels like it never changes gear) and very firm on the highway. Cornering, not so great but its a family sedan so I never thought it would turn like a Honda Civic. I expected the same performance for my 06 TL when I bought it a year and a half ago. But that was not the case. The 06 TL handles a bit rough and stiff on the road. Itís a much bumpier ride compared to its predecessor The 3.2 TL and the acceleration - hard to explain - it feels like a BMW. In fact, the interior design and the overall handling is like a BMW 3 series: good cornering abilities and rapid acceleration on dry roads. The current TL is a true SPORT sedan. But it is too much of a sport sedan, like the BMWs (not the xi series), the car is NOT design for driving on snow. Even with contraction control, VSC system and FRONT WHEEL drive (on 4 seasons tires), the current TL slides, slips and skids on almost every red and green light on more then 5-7 cm of snow, and turning on snow - don't even mention it. My old 2001 3.2 TL drives wonderful on snow, never had to worry!
Though the front seats of the 3.2 TL are definitely not as comfortable as the standard Bucket seats in the current TL, I am disappointed at Acura for designing this half Jap and half European Acura TL. Why? The most important reason is when the car is on the Highway. At roughly 120 kms/hr to 130 kms/hr, the steering wheel will suddenly become light and too sensitive but at speeds under or over that this problem disappears. I think this is a serious issue of safety. It took me a few months to totally adapt my driving to this steering issue. I regretted that I didn't test drive my 2006 TL before purchasing. I have asked others who own a current TL and most say they experience the same issue with steering wheel at highway speeds. I donít know if thatís your case as well.
Well... I am still a BIG fan of Acura. I have never own anything else except for Acuras since 1998. I have HIGH HOPES for the New 2009 Acura TL with the Super-handling 4 Wheel Drive System. I hope this NEW 09 TL will be a merge of the best qualities from both the old 3.2 TL and the current TL. But for sure, this time I will test drive it on the highway before purchasing.
#299 of 2002 R:COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!!... (acura06tl)
Mar 18, 2008 (9:33 pm)
"...it feels like a BMW. In fact, the interior design and the overall handling is like a BMW 3 series..."
Have you actually driven a BMW 3-Series? The reason I ask is that, while the new TL may be a good FWD imitation of a 3-Series, automotive writers and others have said that a FWD, no matter how sports oriented, simply can't handle like a RWD sport sedan. The laws of physics preclude it. For one thing, the weight distribution is significantly different.
I've always wondered whether this FWD/RWD difference only or mainly applies to very aggressive driving, or if it applies to ordinary driving or spirited driving too. Opinions?
#300 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!!... (acura06tl) [hpmctorque]
Mar 19, 2008 (12:51 pm)
I have owned a BMW 3 series before. It was a 1992 BMW 318 i sedan. The reason why i got rid of it and got myself an Acura was because the RWD BMW handles poorly on snow. Its a summer car and had the same steering wheel issue on highway speeds (120 kms to 130 kms) like the current Acura TL.
Your point is exactly what I was trying to say. "the currently New TL may be a good FWD imitation of a 3-series." IF you compare the interior design of the current TL with a 1999-2005 3 series, you will see many of the same design cues. Especially with the style and lines of the door panel and the passenger side front dash - deja vu !! But don't get me wrong, I love the way my 06 TL looks from the inside out. It's just the handling that I am not to happy with. Though the current TL is a FWD, it slides, slips and skids like the RWD 318 i that i had.
I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow. With my 06 TL, I have to check the weather forecast like I did before when i had my 318 i prior to going out in the winter. I DONT WANT TO BE STUCK IN SNOW ! Which did happened 3 times this winter with my 06 TL. I did not once experience that when I was driving the 2001 3.2 TL.
I look forward to the ALL NEW 2009 TL with the AWD as a standard!
#301 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing the 3.2 TL and the Current TL !!!!!... (acura06tl) [acura06tl]
Mar 19, 2008 (1:20 pm)
"I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow..."
Ditto (so dissapointingly so) re: my '05 TL. Finally threw in the towel, after replacing the OEM Bridgestone's last summer with even worse in the snow Toyos, and bought Dunlop Winter tires. Much better now, although since I mounted the snows, not much snow to drive in (plows are too darn efficient!). But, when I did drive in the snow, much better...
#302 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing...acura06tl)(laurasdada)
Mar 19, 2008 (1:43 pm)
I've read your comments with interest regarding how this last generation TL handles in snow, and it gives me some pause regarding buying one because, why put up with the negatives of FWD if traction is not good? You at least want the benefit of good traction, as a tradeoff for handling that, while very good, would be better with RWD. I'm thinking that a set of snow tires would correct matters, but, then, they shouldn't be a requisite on a FWD car, except in places like the upper Midwest and northern New England.
I'm the original owner of a '99 Tl with 109,000 miles, and I couldn't be happier with it. The ride/hadnling tradeoff is good. I understand Acura softened the ride of the ccurrent generation TL just a little, beginning with the '07 model.
I'm not thrilled with the notion of AWD, because of the extra weight, complexity, a lower fuel economy compared with two wheel drive. I hope SH-AWD is an option on the '09 TL.
#303 of 2002 Re: R:COMParing...acura06tl)(laurasdada) [hpmctorque]
Mar 19, 2008 (3:31 pm)
I agree with you re: FWD. As I've oft noted, I'm a lifelong New Englander and skier. I've purposely bought (fun) FWD cars (e.g. VW Scirocco, Acura Integra, Mitsu Mirage Turbo) for the snow advantages of FWD. Until the '05 TL, it has served me more than well. Oh, well.
Still, the TL is a fab ride. Given I don't track or regularly drive 9 or 10/10ths, the TL goes where I point it with little drama. And, if I play the right peddle correctly, it swiftly goes in a straight line, all the while looking great with a lovely audio system. My family fits inside as do my skis with the pass through. I average 23mpg commuting. Nice ride and NVH. I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done. I chose the TL over the G35x for a number of reasons, including not wanting the added weight and complexity of AWD. Snows can be swapped... In summary, FWD has never been a negative to me.
Having written this, had I known how poorly the TL was in my white gold, I might have given more consideration to a 3 or RWD G... Now that I have snows/rims, I'm hoping that they will fit my next ride as I will be considering rwd seriously. As well as FWD and possibly AWD (Audi A/S5?!).
#304 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada)
Mar 19, 2008 (8:30 pm)
"...I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done..."
Your comments are enlightening.
I'd mount snow tires on a FWD car in winter if I lived in or traveled to the snow belt (I live in the Mid Atlantic region}. One of my cars is a RWD 3-Series, and snows make a significant difference in the traction on slippery surfaces.
I await the '09 Tl with much interest, but I'm concerned that, like the new Accord, the TL may grow too large. I'll also look at the '09 TSX and the all new Audi A4.
#305 of 2002 Re: NYC Auto Show [acura06tl]
Mar 20, 2008 (10:25 am)
I am going either next Wednesday or Thursday, that's when the full scope of the Manufacturers products are revealed.The first few days shows a limited selection.
#306 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada) [hpmctorque]
Mar 20, 2008 (4:01 pm)
I wouldn't pin too much hope on the new TSX. From what I've gathered so far, the question is "why did Acura even bother?"
#307 of 2002 Re: COMParing (laurasdada) [bodble2]
Mar 20, 2008 (8:18 pm)
I'm guessing that Acura didn't want to mess with success- the current TSX has sold extremely well and has extremely strong resale values.
I kind of like the '09 TSX- the design language works better on the TSX than the RL or the MDX.