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Re: 2009 Acura TL [scottm123] by paisan
Apr 25, 2007 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Apr 25, 2007 8:36 am)

I agree with Scott (also having driven both) and I have zero stake in either the TL or the G35 as I don't own nor plan to own either.
 
-mike
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by ebby
Apr 25, 2007 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 6:05 am)

I am skeptical if a SH-AWD on the 09 TL would dramatically transform it to a rear-drive performance sedan like the 3 series or the Infinity G. Acura still biases SH-AWD as default FWD (as in my current 07 Acura MDX), which only sends substaintial but limited power to the rear when front wheel slippage occurs.
 
I still believe there is a fundamental difference between a RWD car and an AWD cars with a FWD bias. I also understand that AWD sedans handle marginally less than RWD versions, although they perform better in snow and foul weather.
 
That said, the current TL is probably one of the best FWD best handling sedans on earth.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [ebby] by autoboy16
Apr 25, 2007 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: ebby (Apr 25, 2007 12:43 pm)

AWD vs RWD isn't always as one-sided as it seems! Remember back when the Audi RS4 beat out the M5(manual) in a comparison. I find it funny that the A4 can beat a 5 bust cant match the 3...
 
Regardless, i hope to see a TL diesel. Imagine if the TL had a 3.5l Diesel engine with 230hp and 350lb ft of torque and 45mpg highway? AHHH the possibilities. This engine could see use in the RL, MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline, and odyssey...
 
I know honda could do it! If Mercedes can drag 400lb ft of torque out of a 3.2l engine, 350lb ft isn't asking for much. Especially since the TL has a lower weight, and better aerodynamics... BTW, bmw does have a 335D...
 
Now in realistic terms, honda/acura should be working on a bigger automatic. I prefer a 7speed but a 6 will be ok. Cruising at 70MPH with the tac above 2.8krpm isn't a good thing mpg wise... This tranny would be great in that diesel i mentioned...
 
-Cj
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [ebby] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: ebby (Apr 25, 2007 12:43 pm)

ebby, I can look at the RL's track numbers with it's very limited power and porky weight as reference. I think a SH-AWD TL will pull .91+g's on the skidpad and improve that willow springs average to 69+ mph if it gets enough power
 
Rocky
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [autoboy16] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Apr 25, 2007 3:16 pm)

Regardless, i hope to see a TL diesel. Imagine if the TL had a 3.5l Diesel engine with 230hp and 350lb ft of torque and 45mpg highway?
 
Now that could be something
 
Rocky
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2009 TL wishlist by vroom5
Apr 25, 2007 (7:47 pm)
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As a Honda shareholder, an 04 MDX and 07 TLS owner, I'd like to see the 09 TL with the following:
-cleaner more efficient engine (hybrid/biodiesel). Global warming is only going to become a bigger issue in the years ahead.
-AWD with a rear wheel bias, wheels pushed to corners
-manual option
-more gears (6 or 7)
-current power of TLS is sufficient
-no weight gain over 07 TL
-folding rear seat
-hatchback version
-improve visibility (reduce the blind spots)
-rain sensitive wipers
-keyless
-upgraded interior (real wood, less plastic, denser carpeting)
-true IPOD integration into the NAV system
-everything standard for one price with an ability to customize via a selection of 3 or 4 different wheel options at the dealership (shouldn't drive up costs much)
-+ all the current technology of the 07 TLS
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Re: 2009 TL wishlist [vroom5] by rockylee
Apr 25, 2007 (9:34 pm)
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Replying to: vroom5 (Apr 25, 2007 7:47 pm)

The TL, needs to upgrade the ELS 5.1 to at least RDX's 410 watt levels as well and needs ventilated seats.
 
Rocky
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [rockylee] by ebby
Apr 26, 2007 (5:18 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 25, 2007 7:07 pm)

I don't doubt a SH-AWD TL could pull 0.91g. Even the current TL posted similar G and slalom numbers as the old Infinity G. The reference to Audi is also interesting...the legendary quattro in Audi AWD sedans is excellent on the skidpad partly because of a more even weight distribution. One of the "voodoos" of BMW chassis dynamics is even weight distribution. It gives the car a tossable feel with so much athleticsm. I had an 06 Infinity M35 - recently sold to purchase the MDX, with a near 50/50 weight ratio, it was magic in the bends with exceptional handling.
 
This is an area I think Acura needs to address: nose heaviness: so much weight on the front wheels. I guess a SH-AWD TL with a better weigth distribution would be interesting.
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Re: 2009 TL wishlist [vroom5] by scottm123
Apr 26, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: vroom5 (Apr 25, 2007 7:47 pm)

You lost me at Hatchback option
Wanna hatchback, buy a Gremlin
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Re: 2009 Acura TL [ebby] by paisan
Apr 26, 2007 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: ebby (Apr 26, 2007 5:18 am)

Also let's not forget that most if not all tests done by magazines/sites/etc are done with "stock" rubber. So for instance one car may come with crappy tires from the factory whereas another may come with some better rubber, thereby pulling a better g rating than the one with worse tires. Same goes for the handling tests etc.
 
First thing I do on my cars is wear out those stock tires and put on some GOOD tires. Then again my summers are all R-compounds or near-R compound tires no matter which car I'm driving.
 
-mike

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