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#1965 of 2002 Re: TL Sales [nyccarguy]
Aug 13, 2010 (8:41 am)
Agreed... the Economy does have something to do with that but BMW has consistently been able to sell on avg of 8,000 3 series a month in 2010 vs Acura's TL at 2,100 a month. Audi is right on the heels of BMW sales. So the TL sales for 2010 will come in about 22K Avg for the year much less than 2009 sales. Dunnno... looks like the wrong direction wouldn't ya think? Not really sure what the answer is? I still love Acura cars regardless of the numbers. I just hope Acura wakes up and makes the 5G TL more attractive to a wider audience.
#1966 of 2002 Re: TL Sales [gbosil]
Aug 13, 2010 (2:17 pm)
Very good points. Economy is undeniably a factor, but all you have to do is to compare the stat with other models in the same segment. The drop in TL sales seemed out of proportion. And, this is despite the introduction of a new generation which would usually spike the sales but not happening in Gen 4 TL.
On the flip side, those who do appreciate the new design get to enjoy the "exclusiveness" of not seeing one at every corner.
#1967 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [kirstie_h]
Aug 14, 2010 (4:33 am)
kirstie....I still wish they made the NSX, too.
When I first saw the 4G TL in person, it was at my dealer's "TL KICKOFF" event, where they invite current and former customers for a preview of a new model. Kind of a ritzy event with a 3 piece jazz band, food and refreshments.
Before they let us test drive (which they only offered to each of us for about 5 minutes, each), they had a 4G TL side-by-side to a 3G TL-S. Understand, that I used to own a 3G when they first came out, too. Seeing them side-be-side, the 3G looked ancient and out of date. The 4G, on the other hand, looked "masculine" to me with the edgy look. I liked it immediately.
I test drove the G37x, the BMW 335i and 535i xdrive, the Audi A4/5 quattro, the Mercedes C300 and E 350 4 matic. The TL SH AWD was comparable (size, performance, ride, handling, etc) to the 535i xDrive. However, loading the BMW up like the TL, I was looking at a $15K price delta. All the others, I didn't like as much as the BMW, nor the TL. That made my decision for me.
Understand, Acura used to have a TL coupe (CL). They know longer offer coupes, of any type. So, their numbers are down there. As someone else pointed out $43K for a car isn't exactly in the volume range for any manufacturer.
You look at the BMW 3 Series, there's the 328, 335, coupe, convertible, RWD, xDrive, etc. Their volume is spread over a ton of differing models. Same goes for Infiniti G37, coupe, sedan, convertible "S" version. This model year, there was also a "special edition").
TL has two distinct versions....TL base, and TL SH AWD (which is widely considered the "S" version).
But, as kirstie said, buy what you like. That's why there are so many different models and price points.
#1968 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [graphicguy]
Aug 15, 2010 (10:42 am)
Just completed a ~500 mile round trip over the weekend. Great drive over some beautiful unpopulated back roads. Car performed great...amazingly! 27.8 MPG for the entire trip. In the 4 months I've owned my TL SH AWD, I've kept a running MPG through 4,000 miles, highway, gridlock, in-town, A/C on constantly. 21.6 MPG overall. I'm very pleased.
#1969 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [graphicguy]
Aug 15, 2010 (11:06 am)
21..6 Overall is in line, and my trip from San Diego to Las Vegas got me around 25, but 27.8 MPG although exciting seems way to high for this car and engine, Higher then the factory sticker, unless you know a secret?
#1970 of 2002 Like I keep saying
Aug 15, 2010 (6:26 pm)
every time I see a TL SH AWD, I like it more and more. Today I saw a black/black one parked the beach. It is a really sharp looking car that would be more than welcome in my garage.
I've actually convinced my Mom to go and drive one. She has an E90 328xi with a lease maturing in December. She drove a 2011 X5 & a 2011 F10 535i and really liked them both. She should, they are both $60,000 BMWs for crying out loud! I don't think the X5 is for her. The 5 series is perfect for her, but the X-Drive AWD models aren't coming out until October or November. I think something like 85% of BMWs sold in the northeast are X-Drive equipped, so even though the economy is still in the toilet, people's leases are up and the 5er is brand new, so according to our dealer there is a waiting list. That means the cars will probably go for very close to MSRP for a few months until production catches up.
I told her to go check out a TL SH AWD. She's a little aprehensive because there are no Acura dealers where she lives. The closest is about 20 min - 1/2 hour away which isn't far for service, but she is concerned about if there's ever a problem. She also LOVES the service advisor at our BMW dealership (we do to, the guy is incredible). I'll keep yopu guys posted.
Aug 16, 2010 (9:50 am)
...is really my biggest objection to the 4G TL styling. I just can not get by it, to me it is an atrocity. I still find the 3G styling to be quite handsome. It may not have all the surface excitement and jewelry of the 4G, but it still turns my head without having to scream.
Just did a 345 mile jaunt in my '05. First part of the journey was mostly highway, with (per computer) mpg peaking at 31mpg avg. speed of 67mph. Whole trip, 80/20 highway I returned 29mpg at 51mph. Muy bien.
I still think the most solidly put together car I've yet owned was my '88 Integra. Close the doors on that baby and you were hermetically sealed in!
#1972 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [rlonn1]
Aug 16, 2010 (1:02 pm)
Its not unusual to beat the epa mpg ratings on the window sticker any more. If you use the right brand of gas and match the lead foot you can really get some sweet mpgs out of the newer vehicles.
#1973 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [smarty666]
Aug 16, 2010 (2:54 pm)
Yeah, but that would, unfortunately, kill 95% of the fun driving it.
#1974 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [jtla]
Aug 17, 2010 (5:02 am)