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Acura TL, Sedan
#1960 of 2001 Re: reposition [graphicguy]
Aug 13, 2010 (6:41 am)
I absolutely agree. The 3G Model was positioned as an entry level luxury performace sedan that was more tame than a 3 series, but had more room and comfort, sort of a Lexus - BMW hybrid. The 4G Model is now postitioned as a true performance sedan that competes very well versus a 5 Series, A6, or Infiniti M. It takes time for buyers to get this. I never considered a TL SH-AWD until a friend of mine bought one. And then, it was over, I had to have one
#1961 of 2001 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [gbosil]
Aug 13, 2010 (7:44 am)
I am sure the DOWNTURN in the Economy has nothing to do with any of this? $43K is a lot of money for middle america.... I was concerned about my job like so many other americans, and we are not out of the woods just yet. But I decided to stop worrying and pulled the trigger on my SH-AWD 2010 TL. Glad I did and never looked back! I said this weeks ago, when they changed the front Grill on my 2005 Pilot in 2007, I was very dissapointed in what it looked like, and to this day feel my Pilot still looks sharp compared to the re-designed front grill and then they put on those Ugly Transparent rear taillight like Nissan was putting on the Maxima... The spy photos show them Raising Up the rear license plate in 2012? WHAT???? It takes that nice divider line and breaks it up with a License Plate that should be on top or bottom but not in the middle? Looks Strange.. Most if not many of us think and feel Acura got it right! To change the design, for the sake of CHANGE, could land up making the TL Less Attractive! One thing for sure, it should NEVER look like a 3G, if it does Acura has gone backwards!
#1962 of 2001 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [billyperks2]
by kirstie_h HOST
Aug 13, 2010 (8:03 am)
Since you have all the time in the world to pull sales numbers, why dont you do the same for the bimmer, audi, infiniti etc etc and maybe you will see the same downward spike.
Because those aren't vehicles under discussion in this topic.
However, I do agree that new car sales have declined for a lot of manufacturers, not necessarily due to the vehicles' appeal, but due to consumer spending habits. And, like you, I don't base my purchasing decisions on the number of other people who have made the same decision! Buy what you like... I still wish they made the Integra.
#1963 of 2001 What are you talking about?
Aug 13, 2010 (8:19 am)
The Maxima does not have nor did it ever have ...
"those Ugly Transparent rear taillight like Nissan was putting on the Maxima..."
Aug 13, 2010 (8:39 am)
The big drop off is from the peak in '05 until '07 when they sold 20,000 less units. From '07 to '08 they then sold 10,000 less units. From '08 to '09 (1st year of redesign) the drop off in sales was 15K units. I think a lot of that has do do with the economy being in the toilet. Maybe a handful who don't like the styling.
#1965 of 2001 Re: TL Sales [nyccarguy]
Aug 13, 2010 (9:41 am)
Agreed... the Economy does have something to do with that but BMW has consistently been able to sell on avg of 8,000 3 series a month in 2010 vs Acura's TL at 2,100 a month. Audi is right on the heels of BMW sales. So the TL sales for 2010 will come in about 22K Avg for the year much less than 2009 sales. Dunnno... looks like the wrong direction wouldn't ya think? Not really sure what the answer is? I still love Acura cars regardless of the numbers. I just hope Acura wakes up and makes the 5G TL more attractive to a wider audience.
#1966 of 2001 Re: TL Sales [gbosil]
Aug 13, 2010 (3:17 pm)
Very good points. Economy is undeniably a factor, but all you have to do is to compare the stat with other models in the same segment. The drop in TL sales seemed out of proportion. And, this is despite the introduction of a new generation which would usually spike the sales but not happening in Gen 4 TL.
On the flip side, those who do appreciate the new design get to enjoy the "exclusiveness" of not seeing one at every corner.
#1967 of 2001 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [kirstie_h]
Aug 14, 2010 (5:33 am)
kirstie....I still wish they made the NSX, too.
When I first saw the 4G TL in person, it was at my dealer's "TL KICKOFF" event, where they invite current and former customers for a preview of a new model. Kind of a ritzy event with a 3 piece jazz band, food and refreshments.
Before they let us test drive (which they only offered to each of us for about 5 minutes, each), they had a 4G TL side-by-side to a 3G TL-S. Understand, that I used to own a 3G when they first came out, too. Seeing them side-be-side, the 3G looked ancient and out of date. The 4G, on the other hand, looked "masculine" to me with the edgy look. I liked it immediately.
I test drove the G37x, the BMW 335i and 535i xdrive, the Audi A4/5 quattro, the Mercedes C300 and E 350 4 matic. The TL SH AWD was comparable (size, performance, ride, handling, etc) to the 535i xDrive. However, loading the BMW up like the TL, I was looking at a $15K price delta. All the others, I didn't like as much as the BMW, nor the TL. That made my decision for me.
Understand, Acura used to have a TL coupe (CL). They know longer offer coupes, of any type. So, their numbers are down there. As someone else pointed out $43K for a car isn't exactly in the volume range for any manufacturer.
You look at the BMW 3 Series, there's the 328, 335, coupe, convertible, RWD, xDrive, etc. Their volume is spread over a ton of differing models. Same goes for Infiniti G37, coupe, sedan, convertible "S" version. This model year, there was also a "special edition").
TL has two distinct versions....TL base, and TL SH AWD (which is widely considered the "S" version).
But, as kirstie said, buy what you like. That's why there are so many different models and price points.
#1968 of 2001 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [graphicguy]
Aug 15, 2010 (11:42 am)
Just completed a ~500 mile round trip over the weekend. Great drive over some beautiful unpopulated back roads. Car performed great...amazingly! 27.8 MPG for the entire trip. In the 4 months I've owned my TL SH AWD, I've kept a running MPG through 4,000 miles, highway, gridlock, in-town, A/C on constantly. 21.6 MPG overall. I'm very pleased.
#1969 of 2001 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [graphicguy]
Aug 15, 2010 (12:06 pm)
21..6 Overall is in line, and my trip from San Diego to Las Vegas got me around 25, but 27.8 MPG although exciting seems way to high for this car and engine, Higher then the factory sticker, unless you know a secret?