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#1951 of 2002 Re: 2012 ACURA TL TYPE S [graphicguy]
Aug 10, 2010 (4:59 am)
Thanks for the input graphic. I was talking to my local Acura tech yesterday and he heard a rumor of 350 - 365 HP Acura TLS 2012. He said just a rumor but nonetheless from the same credible source just before the 2007 TLS was released. I guess we will have to wait and see. He said Acura is always sealed tight on any new projects like Fort Knox! I hope they do a better redesign for 2012. I am not diggin the new TL at all! I just purchased a 2010 TSX Tech as a compromise and will hold on to my 07' TLS until the new TL redesign comes out. I can't get over the front grille and rear end! Sorry guys I am loyal to the Acura brand but the new TL does nothing for me.
#1952 of 2002 Re: 2012 ACURA TL TYPE S [gbosil]
Aug 10, 2010 (5:17 am)
Nothing wrong with a TSX. They're nice cars.
If you don't like the TL (or any car, for that matter), it's certainly not worth your hard earned dollars.
I love mine.
Can't speak to the 2012s. Personally, I don't think the dealers know any more than any of us for the same reason you mentioned....Acura is so tight lipped. I've got my own theories. Acura has been talking hybrid. I'm betting that's their next move with the TL.
The 3.7L is pretty large for a V6. You start getting larger to get a 40HP-50HP increase, and the displacement bump needed to do that would make the motor relatively harsh (vs the current motor which is tremendously smooth). I guess they could slap a turbo or supercharger on it, but that would negatively affect fuel economy. And, their V8 plans they had for the dormant NSX are all but dead.
So, unless they come out with a totally new V6 (which would cost a ton of money to do), I don't see many changes in the foreseeable future with the TL motor.
I question my NAV every once in awhile. I'd say 98% of the time, it either takes me a quicker route or a shorter route. The other 2% of the time it says the road is uncharted.
Favorite feature of the NAV.......no matter where I'm at, it always finds my way home.
#1953 of 2002 Re: Hmmmmmmmm [nyccarguy]
Aug 10, 2010 (5:19 am)
Maybe you are right and I was not paying attention to details, further more, the kids were starting to get rowdy in the back-maybe all that threw me off.
#1954 of 2002 Evolution not complete makeover
Aug 12, 2010 (10:54 am)
Customers, potential customers, former customers have spoken out about the current gen of Acura 09-10. Many have said no. Sales of current gen are down compared to previous 04-08.
Too bad that conservative, careful Honda Company went out on a limb with an avant garde, grotesque design having limited appeal to the market niche the TL is in.
Why can't a company having a succesful shape and design in a vehicle such as 04-08 TL simply evolve it rather than make a complete makeover. Honda/Acura could take a lesson from Porsche 911. That car has evolved over 40+ years and the current version still has shape, cues from 911 of the late 60's.
Aug 12, 2010 (11:44 am)
Don't tell the whole story though. There was A LOT of subsidized leasing going on back then. The economy is a whole lot worse now than it was back then too. So yes, I'm sure the styling of the current generation TL has turned off a few repeat or potential buyers, but that number is hard to quantify.
I too was originally turned off by the current TL's "beak.". It has grown on me. I really dig the styling on the rear end of the SH AWD model. The interior is gorgeous. If it drives as good as my '01 Prelude Type SH & my wife's '10 TSX, a TL SH AWD with 6 speed stick might just be my next car.
#1956 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [xrunner2]
Aug 12, 2010 (12:49 pm)
Same old story, different poster- tell us something we don't know.
#1957 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [xrunner2]
Aug 13, 2010 (4:16 am)
Here are the true sales stats for the TL from Acura:
1999 = 56,566
2000 2G = 67,033
2001 = 69,484
2002 = 60,764
2003 = 56,770
2004 3G = 77,895
2005 = 78,218
2006 = 71,348
2007 = 58,545
2008 = 48,766
2009 4G = 33,620
Looks like the new redesign 3G in 2004 is more than double the sales of the current TL 4G. Numbers don't lie. But it also appears Acura has been loosing sales starting in 2006. Now in 2010 BMW is selling more than 8,600 3 series per month to Acura's
2,200 TL units per month.
I still stand by my thoughts on the new TL... I don't like it period! I own a 07' TLS and now a new 10' TSX. I am a loyal Acura owner but feel the new TL was a mistake! But that's just my opinion. I am sure Acura has lost some loyal cutomers now to BMW & Audi. Great job Acura!
Aug 13, 2010 (4:59 am)
Acura has made it clear, they're repositioning their entire lineup. The TL now seems to be the top of their lineup. It competes with the BMW 5, Infiniti M, etc in size, performance, features. It will take awhile for that to sink into the marketplace.
The TSX replaces the 3G TL. It's roughly the size of the Infiniti G, Benz C class, BMW 3 and Audi 4.
I don't know of anyone who owns a 4G TL who doesn't absolutely love it (me included).....:
#1959 of 2002 Re: Evolution not complete makeover [gbosil]
Aug 13, 2010 (5:19 am)
Since you have all the time in the world to pull sales numbers, why dont you do the same for the bimmer, audi, infiniti etc etc and maybe you will see the same downward spike.
I really don't care how many units of the TL is sold because I have no buyers remorse.I washed mine yseterday and applied two wipedowns of the Zaino Z6, took it to the Gym this morning and peeked at it through the large glass window- I said WOW, this car is a stand out- White Diamond Pearl -35% tint. I can tell because most commuters walking to catch the train gave it a double look.
#1960 of 2002 Re: reposition [graphicguy]
Aug 13, 2010 (5:41 am)
I absolutely agree. The 3G Model was positioned as an entry level luxury performace sedan that was more tame than a 3 series, but had more room and comfort, sort of a Lexus - BMW hybrid. The 4G Model is now postitioned as a true performance sedan that competes very well versus a 5 Series, A6, or Infiniti M. It takes time for buyers to get this. I never considered a TL SH-AWD until a friend of mine bought one. And then, it was over, I had to have one