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Acura TL, Sedan
#1921 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [hpmctorque]
Jul 20, 2010 (5:08 pm)
Acura does not want to go the way of Impala, Pontiac, and many other cars who never evolved their car line to the next level. GM got into trouble because once a Car Rental Company, always a car rental company.
All you have to do is go to any car show and see all the Future Car prototypes. Think what an Acura needs to look like to be considered Modern in 2015, or 2020. What you are saying is that as long as it looks like a 2nd or 3rd generation TL it will be Cool Looking.
If the 2010 TL looked like a 2008 TL, I would have never purchased the car, as the 2008 looks like a very outdated style in comparison to most new cars today. Even BUICK has modernized its style and that is what Acura is trying to do.. I never understand people who talk about the TL is to big?? OK, get a TSX, to big, go get a Mini Cooper. I find the TL the right size where the Ford Torus was way to big mostly due to viability problems and the high rear trunk lid, plus it is still a Torus.
Acura is looking for its next generation customers. Many will be older TL owners upgrading and getting a fresh new look and lots of new SH-AWD features. Some will come over from other car companies for the great value Acura has to offer in its line of cars.
Acura Sales continue to be Strong. Yes incentives help as with all car companies, but they continue to make around 8,000 TL each year in Ohio, that is not bad for a $43K car.
I am still looking for someone to say they don't like my TL. I work along with 3,000 other people and a lot of folks walk past my car every day in the parking lot. I have taken about 13 folks for a ride, lifted up the hood about 25 times. WOW is not an uncommon word from these people.
I feel like my TL will hold its WOW factor for at least 5 to 8 years in the area of style as the 2008 TL will fade out fast due to an outdated style. Several people at work had older TL's and I remember 3 or 4 years ago just walking past the TL as my eyes focused in on the new BMW and G35 to name a few.
Now the eyes are on Mt TL, not those OTHER CARS in the parking lot! This is My Story and I am sticking to it!
#1922 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [rlonn1]
Jul 20, 2010 (9:09 pm)
You make some good points. For example, it's true that if Acura had continued with its previous generation TL design, sales would have declined. However, while I thought the '99-'03 and '04-'08 designs were very appealing, I can't say the same for the appearance of the '09-'10 models. Taste is a personal thing. The fact that Acura sells around 8,000 TLs per year suggests that thousands of people agree with you rather than with me. Judging by the comments in the TL board, though, a lot of people seem to agree with me too. What this may suggest is that the current TL is more polarizing than previous generations. Although I don't have the sales number for the last 10 years handy, I've read that the TL and TSX are losing market share, and the RL is doing much worse. I don't know about the SUVs and crossovers because I'm not interested in these. They have a place, but not for me at this time.
To my eyes, I think the Audi A4 and A6 and the Mercedes C and E Class are the style leaders in their respective market segments. That said, Acura has these models beat in terms of reliability and cost of ownership. I guess you can't have everything.
I agree with your comments about GM, but Chevy, Buick and Cadillac seem to have finally learned - finally! - from their past mistakes, and are moving in the right direction. The same can be said for Ford. As for Chrysler, it's too early to tell.
#1923 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [rlonn1]
Jul 21, 2010 (3:47 am)
I hear this same thing whenever a manufacuturer changes their favorite model. I heard it with the Bangle designed BMWs. I heard it with the "kompressor" Mercedes, etc. Plenty of people who said they'd stay away from those models.
Fact is, others took their place and bought them.
FIrst thing I noticed when I first saw a 3G TL side-by-side with a 4G TL (have owned both), was how outdated the 4G makes the 3G really look. For years people and the press have whined about how "bland" Acuras looked. Well, they aren't bland anymore, yet they still have their critics, just like any car model.
I test drove all the competing brands (C 4 Matic, Audi A4/5, 3/535i xdrive, Infiniti Gx, even a Taurus SHO. I kept coming back to the TL as the most masculine looking and most distinctive car out of all of them. Performance-wise, it was on par with the BMW 535ix (which at the time cost ~$13K more). It was more spacious than all the others. Audi's 4 cyl motor was a hard sale for me at that price point. Plus, it lacked many of the finishing touches the TL had (look at the outside doorhandles of both).
I could go on and on, but I kept coming back to the TL as what I liked the most out of all those cars, for lots of different reasons.
Acura is taking the TL into a size and performance point of the 5 series, Audi A6, etc. Some will resiste that. But, that's why the TSX got a V6, and is roughly the same size as the 3G TL.
#1924 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [graphicguy]
Jul 21, 2010 (5:53 am)
DITTO!!!! Took the words right out of my mouth!!
#1925 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [rlonn1]
Jul 21, 2010 (6:25 am)
I wholeheartedly agree, rlonn1. I also owned a 2000 TL. It was a nice car for that time. My new TL SH-AWD is miles ahead of that car in every category. I am the type of person that does extensive research on any major purchase whether it is a smart phone, HDTV, or automobile. I spent many hours researching and test driving more than one dozen different vehicles including the Buick Lacrosse, Mercedes E Class, BMW 3 and 5 series, Infiniti G and M, Audi A4 and A6, among others. Now, I had certain criteria that were a must for my new car. AWD, good backseat room, brisk acceleration and good handling. The choice for me was quite easy, The 2010 TL. I absolutely love the car. It is the very good combination of everything I was looking for and the styling, while a bit controversial, turns heads. Not a week goes by without several folks complimenting me on the looks of the car and asking me what model it is.
I applaud Acura for going out an a limb with the styling. They have hit a home run in my book. Is it perfect, of course not. I'd like to see rain sensing wipers. The funky tire size makes replacement tires much more expensive and the Stock Michelin M+S tires have a low tread life rating and I am concerned about their effectiveness in the snow. But those are nit picks. It is a great ride and many thousands less than direct competitors, which also makes it a great value.
#1926 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [graphicguy]
Jul 21, 2010 (7:31 am)
" that's why the TSX got a V6, and is roughly the same size as the 3G TL."
Same size, but compare the back seats, including ease of entry and egress of the new TSX with the 3rd generation TL.
#1927 of 2002 Re: Knock, knock! [rlonn1]
Jul 21, 2010 (1:25 pm)
I personally like the 09-10 style better than the older ones too. Not initially, but it has grown on me. Whether or not most agree on that though is another thing. 04-08 TL was the top seller (next to BMW 3) -> about 8K/month. But now? give you an example
1. 3 - 8,712 (Combined coupe, cabrio, sedan)
2. C - 4,624
3. ES - 4,396
4. CTS - 3,278
5. A4 - 3,177
6. G - 3,001 (sedan only)
7. TL - 2,842
8. IS - 2,701 (combined sedan and cabrio)
9. MKZ - 1,817
Jul 21, 2010 (6:02 pm)
The August issue of AUTOMOBILE pits a TL SH AWD 6MT against an Audi S4 on a track and the Acura holds its own with a bigger trunk & significant price advantage. Check it out.
#1929 of 2002 Re: AUTOMOBILE [nyccarguy]
Jul 21, 2010 (7:45 pm)
Yes! I saw that when my Magazine arrived. I just signed up for it as part of my Home Audio, and Stereofile magazine promotion. Very first issue has this comparison! It was EXCITING to read on how good the TL is to the long term super engineered AWD S4!! All this positive talk means I need to go put a 5th coat of wax on the car just to BOND with it!
#1930 of 2002 New TSX commercial
Jul 21, 2010 (7:59 pm)
I am sure many of you have seen the new TSX commercial where they have a room filled with car engines all running surrounding a canary in a bird cage. Then they turn on the Audio Noise Canceling speakers to show you how quiet it becomes.
I know this first hand as my wife has a 2009 TSX, and it works like a bose noise canceling earphones, same principle!
I am sure all of you know that we have this in our 2009-2010 TL's as well.. In March of 2009 we got a new main family car, TSX, and we traded in her 2000 Honda EXL Coupe V6. I was still driving my Honda Pilot in 2009.
The TSX was our first Acura. I was so impressed with her car, that every time I took it to the dealer for its oil change or a few minor things I waited out in the show room and their was that SH-AWD Tech TL calling out to me!
In February I purchased my TL, kept the Pilot for those weekend trips to Home depot or 4X4 in the desert or mountains, and sold off my 1995 Nissan Quest.
BTW, I went out and checked my Rear View camera on the TL, and it is right on when it comes to the lines. If you DO NOT know what the horizontal and vertical lines mean, read the owners manual as they probably do more then you might have assumed!!