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Acura TL, Sedan
#1650 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (7:00 pm)
Lets just say I'm glad I got my 2008 TL when I did. There are things I like and dislike with the new TL but one thing I am a bit annoyed with Acura is, and they are not alone in this of course, but how they cheapened out on a couple of materials and how much more plastic had been added to the interior compared to the 3rd Gen.
One glaring example is this, the new TL's have cheap plastic imitation aluminum trim on the center consoles and doors. It looks okay from a distance but if you feel it you go, damn man! My TL has ACTUAL metal trim on the center console and doors of the car. You would not believe how cold it gets to touch in the winter months.
Now again, Acura is not alone in this. I have seen Lexus and BMW cut a few material corners as well among other companies. Its a damn shame the car manufactures keeping raising the prices every year but put cheaper more plastic material into the cars!
#1651 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 01, 2010 (3:54 am)
sween....i used to spend quite a bit of time up at Mid-Ohio. Lots of Porsches. My RX8 was a great handler. Not in the 911 range, but fun nevertheless.
The TL and the TL SH AWD really are like two different cars. The base TL is a good car. Quick, nicely built, more luxury than sport. When you get a chance, test drive a TL SH AWD. It's a totally different drive.
#1652 of 2002 Re: old days [smarty666]
Apr 01, 2010 (3:56 am)
smarty.....my TL has aluminum trim. I know the trim in my 3rd gen TL (even the leather) wasn't nearly as nice as my current one.
#1653 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Apr 01, 2010 (4:42 pm)
rx8 o boy-- you wonder if mazda had to do it again would they??- underpowered - unreliable, overpriced, never sold- sorry for the same price you can get a WRX, or a base 370z.. just to name a couple-
ROTARY = slow, terrible MPGS, and impossible to service. But it is a looker.
i hope you got the rx8 with the manual because the auto produces what 200 hp??
(didnt they have an a problem with false HP claims at one point)
please tell me you got the TL in 6 speed?
#1654 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:34 pm)
nah, I disagree on most of that; there is much more plastic materials in the cabin now that the 3rd Gen didn't not have! the metal trim on the doors in not actual metal, its imitation! I didn't notice any difference in the quality of the leather between the 3rd and 4th Generation; in fact the base TL in the 4th isn't even perforated which is a downgrade from from the base 3rd since it came standard with perforated; I can imagine the wrinkles/cracks that non-perforated base leather will be like after only a few years! I don't understand why you have to get the tech package and spend thousands of extra dollars for a nav system to get perforated leather? just boggles the mind! also, you have to get the tech package now to get the ELS surround sound; that came standard with the base without having to get the nav system! I don't know why Acura had to do that. Now they made the nav package a lot more expensive by including things with it that before came standard.
#1655 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 02, 2010 (4:57 am)
RX8 was a 6 speed manual....237HP. Rotaries are a little bit of a different animal. Very high revers (9K red line). Very few moving parts. Very light. 1.3L motor making 237 HP is amazing. A truly amazing handling car.
And yes, they expected the RX8 to come in at about 250HP. Before they hit the dealerships, they revised the HP ratings downward to 237.
A little care had to be taken with them. They use a little oil by design....about a quart every 1,000,1,500 miles. Their claim to fame was they are light with that high reving rotary. That makes for a terrific handling car.
MPG for a sports car is about average. But, with such a small power plant, some assumed it would get economy car MPG. Reving it to redline (which is hard to resist) doesn't make for good MPG, though.
Unfortunately, the auto company meltdown has seemed to have stalled any further development of the RENESIS rotary. I hope Mazda keeps it alive. It is, and always has been, very unique and fun to drive.
BTW....just curious, what do you drive now? Have you driven any of these cars we've mentioned here? RX8? TL SH AWD?
IF HP is "your thing" then why not look at something like a Camaro or a Mustang? Those will give you that "stoplight to stoplight" performance you seem to like. They'll both save you a couple of bucks to buy, too. They aren't as sophisticated, nor refined, but they'll fit what you're looking for.
Mitsu EVO (which I've never driven) or WRX (which I have test driven a little over a year ago) will be crude by comparison. They're geared more to the "big rear wing spoiler" set. But, if you're into that, or do a lot of autox-ing, those might be a possibility, too.
#1656 of 2002 Re: old days [smarty666]
Apr 02, 2010 (3:52 am)
smarty.....Don't know which TL you have. Base? I think the base model without tech comes with fake wood in the interior.....not the aluminum trim in the tech models.
TLs have always been different when it comes to options. You either get the tech model, which has all the goodies. Or, you get the base without tech, which is still well equipped, but doesn't come with the ELS sterero, nor the Nav.
But, you compare the models it competes with, say BMW for example, where their base models don't even come with leather, but vinyl interiors (they call it leatherette).
Having had both the 3G and now the 4G, I can say that in every parameter, performance, quality of materials and build, features, etc. the 4G is better across the board.
#1657 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Apr 02, 2010 (6:07 am)
I drive an 07 g35x- bot new and has just 20k miles - great in the snow- fast and has all the options one could want for my new england commute. my only complaint is Mpgs and that fact that INFINITI never has offered a manual with the AWD - which i think is a huge oversight but I could not justify paying an extra 10k for a 335xi 6speed with all the options i have on the G. I like the fact the the infiniti is has RWD bias-which i feel is what is important when dealing with a sports sedan- I also like that they keep upgrading the car every 2 years- (more HP, better trans, touch screen nav, to name a few) As i mentioned before i have never driven the AWD TL, but did drive the regular TL-- i cant imagine the SHAWDTL would be much different ride- (unless on a twisty road going to fast - or your in one with a 6sp, how many of those were sold??) Would love to hear a review or thoughts from an owner of a 6 speed TL--
rx-8- nope- never- no interest.
HP - not my thing-nor is going from stoplight to stoplight in a rush.
- but I do think its important if your going to drop 40k -
I like the way you use "quotes" to throw "digs"-- its pretty "amusing." nice day today and i need to go outside to wash the spoiler and rims.
#1658 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 02, 2010 (7:04 am)
sween...no dings. Just trying to figure out what it is you want.
Infinitis are nice cars. I almost bought a g37x(s) sedan. Didn't like the automatic tranny in it. It hunted for the right gear way too much. And, the sport seats were uncomfortable. Plus, I could have bought one cheaper than the TL SH AWD. Test drove several. One coupe x(s). One sedan x(s). And, one vert.
In the end, I liked the TL SH AWD better. I would never ding anyone for the car they choose, nor their age, nor their income bracket, etc.
Bottom line, the most hotly contested segment in the auto world is the sports sedan area. You've got Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, and from what some of you are saying, Buick is throwing their hat into that ring, too....all jousting for the same piece of that pie. There's not a bad car among them. Although, I can't speak to the Buicks, as I've not driven the LaCrosse. I don't think anyone has driven the Regal yet (except for maybe the trade rags).
A friend of mine traded his wife's '07 G35x for a Ford Taurus SHO. That's not a trade I would have made. But, he's very pleased with his SHO. Plus, I have to admit, Ford did a very nice job with it. It's very fast. Not much of a handler when you compare it to the G or the TL, but it's got all the toys, in addition to being fast. I can see its appeal for a certain segment.
Point being, there are lots of good cars out there now. One of them will appeal to a certain segment. Far be it from me to tell someone that one is better than the other.
#1659 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 02, 2010 (10:02 am)
When we were shopping for a new car for my wife,we were looking at the 2010 ES350 & Maxima. Wife did not like the G35X(too small & uncomfortable). The ES350 had no road feel and was kind of an old peoples car according to my wife. We drove the Maxima, haveing owned 2 of them previously and she just did not like the interior, and I didn't like the drive.
We were not even considering the 2010 TL until I convinced her to just test drive the car. Man we fell in love with the car and I love the fact that it is AWD. This is our first Honda/Acura product so hopefully it will serve us well as I ussually keep my cars for at least 10 years. We have also gotten many compliments on the car.
I did have the front beak painted on the car to match the body color (WDP) which was a big improvement and the interior(Ebony) is absolutely incredible.