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Acura TL, Sedan
#1647 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Mar 31, 2010 (5:14 pm)
as "Graphics" guy mentioned Lime Rock does run "open wheel" cars on the "race" track-- but what he failed to mention they also have "club" events and an "auto" cross course. In this setup normal cars-- BMW's, Minis, Audis and others can join in the fun and put the street legal cars to the test.
Standard TL = Lexus ES-- both are based on Accord/Camry- both FWD, both auto, both heavy, both V6- same class, same price range- acura is clearly targeting the ES with this TL-
I would bet if you asked an acura dealer he would say he misses the OLD TL and by the looks of the sales data on wiki the public agrees.
2009 33,620 (new model)
(i'm sure you could add another 10k cars if the economy was better -- but numbers tell the story)
again the AWD is a "huge" step up - i'm sure it "bits" in the corners-- but how many of the 33k plus TL's sold came in AWD form-? """""""""""""" """ "" '" "" "
this company needs a redbull quick-- the zdx-- what are they doing
#1648 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (5:20 pm)
EVERYBODY...every model (save for Suzuki, Hyundai/Kia, Subaru) lost their ass in 2009. Any brand/model who introduced a new (or totally revamped model) did so in an economic climate that was poor.
BMW was down. Infiniti was down. Audi was down. In short, 2009 was bad for the car business in general.
We hope (they hope) that things are revived for 2010. But, nobody who makes cars is having a heyday....except for a few peripheral brands (or those which are heavily discounted).
No reflection on some worthwhile efforts (like the TL). The economy killed most of them.
Sween....Limerock runs Mazda RX 8s, Mazdaspeed 3s, etc for their basic driving courses (Barber). So, which one did you participate in? Open wheel? Or basic driving? I used to own an RX8 by the way. Did you drive one of those? Which course did you take? Have you ever driven a TL?
#1649 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Mar 31, 2010 (6:01 pm)
Graphics guy-- i read the papers- thats why i mentioned the economy.. but would they have sold 2x ?
I did a skipbarber 2 day HP program- pretty cool - drove a 911 and a cayman - plus a 3 series. The basic has the mazda products. you should check it out if your in the area or near one of these programs-
TL- i have driven it-- not in AWD form - a coworker and I traded for a weekend. really cool technology- lots going on on the dash - good power. Nice safe car. Not a hint of sport in standard form- like the ES. congrats on the new rig-- take it easy on the twists.
#1650 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (7:00 pm)
Lets just say I'm glad I got my 2008 TL when I did. There are things I like and dislike with the new TL but one thing I am a bit annoyed with Acura is, and they are not alone in this of course, but how they cheapened out on a couple of materials and how much more plastic had been added to the interior compared to the 3rd Gen.
One glaring example is this, the new TL's have cheap plastic imitation aluminum trim on the center consoles and doors. It looks okay from a distance but if you feel it you go, damn man! My TL has ACTUAL metal trim on the center console and doors of the car. You would not believe how cold it gets to touch in the winter months.
Now again, Acura is not alone in this. I have seen Lexus and BMW cut a few material corners as well among other companies. Its a damn shame the car manufactures keeping raising the prices every year but put cheaper more plastic material into the cars!
#1651 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 01, 2010 (3:54 am)
sween....i used to spend quite a bit of time up at Mid-Ohio. Lots of Porsches. My RX8 was a great handler. Not in the 911 range, but fun nevertheless.
The TL and the TL SH AWD really are like two different cars. The base TL is a good car. Quick, nicely built, more luxury than sport. When you get a chance, test drive a TL SH AWD. It's a totally different drive.
#1652 of 2002 Re: old days [smarty666]
Apr 01, 2010 (3:56 am)
smarty.....my TL has aluminum trim. I know the trim in my 3rd gen TL (even the leather) wasn't nearly as nice as my current one.
#1653 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Apr 01, 2010 (4:42 pm)
rx8 o boy-- you wonder if mazda had to do it again would they??- underpowered - unreliable, overpriced, never sold- sorry for the same price you can get a WRX, or a base 370z.. just to name a couple-
ROTARY = slow, terrible MPGS, and impossible to service. But it is a looker.
i hope you got the rx8 with the manual because the auto produces what 200 hp??
(didnt they have an a problem with false HP claims at one point)
please tell me you got the TL in 6 speed?
#1654 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Apr 01, 2010 (6:34 pm)
nah, I disagree on most of that; there is much more plastic materials in the cabin now that the 3rd Gen didn't not have! the metal trim on the doors in not actual metal, its imitation! I didn't notice any difference in the quality of the leather between the 3rd and 4th Generation; in fact the base TL in the 4th isn't even perforated which is a downgrade from from the base 3rd since it came standard with perforated; I can imagine the wrinkles/cracks that non-perforated base leather will be like after only a few years! I don't understand why you have to get the tech package and spend thousands of extra dollars for a nav system to get perforated leather? just boggles the mind! also, you have to get the tech package now to get the ELS surround sound; that came standard with the base without having to get the nav system! I don't know why Acura had to do that. Now they made the nav package a lot more expensive by including things with it that before came standard.
#1655 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 02, 2010 (4:57 am)
RX8 was a 6 speed manual....237HP. Rotaries are a little bit of a different animal. Very high revers (9K red line). Very few moving parts. Very light. 1.3L motor making 237 HP is amazing. A truly amazing handling car.
And yes, they expected the RX8 to come in at about 250HP. Before they hit the dealerships, they revised the HP ratings downward to 237.
A little care had to be taken with them. They use a little oil by design....about a quart every 1,000,1,500 miles. Their claim to fame was they are light with that high reving rotary. That makes for a terrific handling car.
MPG for a sports car is about average. But, with such a small power plant, some assumed it would get economy car MPG. Reving it to redline (which is hard to resist) doesn't make for good MPG, though.
Unfortunately, the auto company meltdown has seemed to have stalled any further development of the RENESIS rotary. I hope Mazda keeps it alive. It is, and always has been, very unique and fun to drive.
BTW....just curious, what do you drive now? Have you driven any of these cars we've mentioned here? RX8? TL SH AWD?
IF HP is "your thing" then why not look at something like a Camaro or a Mustang? Those will give you that "stoplight to stoplight" performance you seem to like. They'll both save you a couple of bucks to buy, too. They aren't as sophisticated, nor refined, but they'll fit what you're looking for.
Mitsu EVO (which I've never driven) or WRX (which I have test driven a little over a year ago) will be crude by comparison. They're geared more to the "big rear wing spoiler" set. But, if you're into that, or do a lot of autox-ing, those might be a possibility, too.
#1656 of 2002 Re: old days [smarty666]
Apr 02, 2010 (3:52 am)
smarty.....Don't know which TL you have. Base? I think the base model without tech comes with fake wood in the interior.....not the aluminum trim in the tech models.
TLs have always been different when it comes to options. You either get the tech model, which has all the goodies. Or, you get the base without tech, which is still well equipped, but doesn't come with the ELS sterero, nor the Nav.
But, you compare the models it competes with, say BMW for example, where their base models don't even come with leather, but vinyl interiors (they call it leatherette).
Having had both the 3G and now the 4G, I can say that in every parameter, performance, quality of materials and build, features, etc. the 4G is better across the board.