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#1642 of 2002 Re: What is improved from 2003 TL? [mocozeke]
Mar 31, 2010 (3:29 am)
mocozeke....I had an '04 TL, and currently have a 2010 TL SH AWD. The '04 was the 3rd generation. The '03 was the 2nd generation.
Pretty big differences between those and the current 4th generation. Bigger motors, more HP, better interiors, better suspension, etc. They all employ double wishbone suspension (pioneered by Honda) and multi-link rear. Most bigger sports sedans use the multi-link rear in their larger offerings.
Performance, give or take (SH AWD),
Both will run the 1/4 mile in the mid 13s.
Other upgrades....fluid filled engine mounts. Upgraded brakes with cooling ducts (SH AWD).
Don't know how much you know about Acura's SH AWD. But, in essence, it is capable of shifting torque, not only front to back (as most AWD systems do). But, it can also transfer torque side to side, too.
In short, it handles worlds better than my former '04 TL. It's a bunch faster, too.
Those are the highlights. In order to understand how they feel, you really should test drive one. It's very "tossable", and inspires confidence, regardless of road or its condition. Going into corners, at speed, instead of swinging out it's tail, or understeering, it remains flat. It also bites down in corners as it shifts torque front to back and side to side. It's extremely hard to upset it (short of the laws of physics).
Every tech feature you can think of comes standard in the tech package on either the base or SH AWD version. Keyless entry, pushbutton start/stop, probably the best OEM stereo I've heard in any car, regardless of price. Auto climate control. Blue Tooth phone. Nav with weather and traffic guides. Very, very nice sport seats (SH AWD).
If you live in a climate that is wet, or gets snow, I'd probably stay away from the HPT tire option. Even with SH AWD, those wheels/tires are not good in wet/snow. Plus, they make the ride border on harsh. The standard wheels/tires to a good all around job.
Hope that helps.
#1643 of 2002 Re: old days [proe]
Mar 31, 2010 (3:36 am)
proe, it's been awhile, but in the past, I've used SolidWorks when I had a hand in doing some industrial design work. I liked that package.
Most of what I've had experience in has been in the 2D world, though.
I've always been curious about PTC. Their sales people were always over bearing. Based on that alone, I never recommended using Pro/E.
#1644 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (4:38 am)
Stereo: It is great, but I hate to admit it, but I think the unit in my Honda Element is a tad better! maybe it has to do with all the "reverb room' in it, but the sub woofer has more 'boom' than the one in the TL. I haven't noticed much difference in the sound level when changing modes, but I listen to AM most of the time, so don't go by me.
sween, you could not be more wrong about the base TL. Honda has done a great job separating their lines, and the TL does not have a 'Honda equivalent'' as the ES 350 is to the Camry. The TSX is based on the European Accord, but that is as close as it gets.
Statistics, real or imagined do not cause one to love a car, living with it does.
#1645 of 2002 Re: old days [Chasboy]
Mar 31, 2010 (6:57 am)
The Lime Rock facility that "sween" referred to runs "open wheel" cars in their "race" courses. Lot different than any car you drive on the street.
Setting a car up for track, as in auto-cross events or bracket racing (straight 1/4 mile runs) is quite a bit different than finding a good handling car on the street.
Comparing a TL to the ES350, or any type of cars of that ilk, I've ever driven means that someone hasn't really driven the TL. Even the TSX, the previous RSX, or even any of the "S-type" Acura versions (all of which were FWD (which is something difficult to autox) won't tell you very much about how it performs on the street.
Even great FWD handling cars (like the Mazdaspeed 3) will not be able to mimic what the TL can do. Given that the TL (SH AWD) is so much bigger and heavier, makes it even more amazing.
Cars of this ilk, like the BMW xDrives & Audi Quattros, along with the TL SH AWD are amazing vehicles. But, those who like the ride/handling of a Lexus ES aren't going to like any of the afore mentioned models. They all handle much better, but they all ride much firmer, too (not harsh, but firmer).
To each their own, though.
The weather's broken here. It was a sunny, crisp day yesterday. So, I took the long way around while running errands last night. Hit some scenic twisty roads. I know I've only had my TL for a little less than a month. But, it's hard to upset it. Matter of fact, regardless of how "hot" I went into a corner, it would just "bite" and hold its line.
Given the same roads, an ES would fall all over itself, even if you could gain any feedback through the steering wheel. NO doubt I would have put an ES in the bushes doing the same type of driving on the same roads.
#1646 of 2002 License Plate Frame
Mar 31, 2010 (7:33 am)
Just picked up a beautiful 2010 base TL in Basque Red. The car looks great but I can't stand the way my Pennsylvania license plate (yellow, white, blue) looks in the back, and the bolts holding it on look terrible. Does anyone know of a nice license plate frame in a metal similar the the brushed metal on the rest of the car?
#1647 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Mar 31, 2010 (5:14 pm)
as "Graphics" guy mentioned Lime Rock does run "open wheel" cars on the "race" track-- but what he failed to mention they also have "club" events and an "auto" cross course. In this setup normal cars-- BMW's, Minis, Audis and others can join in the fun and put the street legal cars to the test.
Standard TL = Lexus ES-- both are based on Accord/Camry- both FWD, both auto, both heavy, both V6- same class, same price range- acura is clearly targeting the ES with this TL-
I would bet if you asked an acura dealer he would say he misses the OLD TL and by the looks of the sales data on wiki the public agrees.
2009 33,620 (new model)
(i'm sure you could add another 10k cars if the economy was better -- but numbers tell the story)
again the AWD is a "huge" step up - i'm sure it "bits" in the corners-- but how many of the 33k plus TL's sold came in AWD form-? """""""""""""" """ "" '" "" "
this company needs a redbull quick-- the zdx-- what are they doing
#1648 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (5:20 pm)
EVERYBODY...every model (save for Suzuki, Hyundai/Kia, Subaru) lost their ass in 2009. Any brand/model who introduced a new (or totally revamped model) did so in an economic climate that was poor.
BMW was down. Infiniti was down. Audi was down. In short, 2009 was bad for the car business in general.
We hope (they hope) that things are revived for 2010. But, nobody who makes cars is having a heyday....except for a few peripheral brands (or those which are heavily discounted).
No reflection on some worthwhile efforts (like the TL). The economy killed most of them.
Sween....Limerock runs Mazda RX 8s, Mazdaspeed 3s, etc for their basic driving courses (Barber). So, which one did you participate in? Open wheel? Or basic driving? I used to own an RX8 by the way. Did you drive one of those? Which course did you take? Have you ever driven a TL?
#1649 of 2002 Re: old days [graphicguy]
Mar 31, 2010 (6:01 pm)
Graphics guy-- i read the papers- thats why i mentioned the economy.. but would they have sold 2x ?
I did a skipbarber 2 day HP program- pretty cool - drove a 911 and a cayman - plus a 3 series. The basic has the mazda products. you should check it out if your in the area or near one of these programs-
TL- i have driven it-- not in AWD form - a coworker and I traded for a weekend. really cool technology- lots going on on the dash - good power. Nice safe car. Not a hint of sport in standard form- like the ES. congrats on the new rig-- take it easy on the twists.
#1650 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Mar 31, 2010 (7:00 pm)
Lets just say I'm glad I got my 2008 TL when I did. There are things I like and dislike with the new TL but one thing I am a bit annoyed with Acura is, and they are not alone in this of course, but how they cheapened out on a couple of materials and how much more plastic had been added to the interior compared to the 3rd Gen.
One glaring example is this, the new TL's have cheap plastic imitation aluminum trim on the center consoles and doors. It looks okay from a distance but if you feel it you go, damn man! My TL has ACTUAL metal trim on the center console and doors of the car. You would not believe how cold it gets to touch in the winter months.
Now again, Acura is not alone in this. I have seen Lexus and BMW cut a few material corners as well among other companies. Its a damn shame the car manufactures keeping raising the prices every year but put cheaper more plastic material into the cars!
#1651 of 2002 Re: old days [sweendogy]
Apr 01, 2010 (3:54 am)
sween....i used to spend quite a bit of time up at Mid-Ohio. Lots of Porsches. My RX8 was a great handler. Not in the 911 range, but fun nevertheless.
The TL and the TL SH AWD really are like two different cars. The base TL is a good car. Quick, nicely built, more luxury than sport. When you get a chance, test drive a TL SH AWD. It's a totally different drive.