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Acura TL, Sedan
#1516 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [boogeyman]
Nov 19, 2009 (12:15 pm)
The car is just as big as the RL, E350, Lexus GS 350 and 535- why aren't you complaining about the size of those cars.Acura stated a few months back in a news release that they are moving the TL up to the RL size and the TSX to the previous generation TL size.The RL will be competing with larger sedan when the next generation hits the showroom.
Furthermore, the previous generation TL is by no mean small and nimble, its a heavy car and also wide as well.
Tell me what smaller sedans are out there to accomodate my family- a Passat (yeah right), I also have a 2004 Accord (my wife's) in the family as well. I cannot get her out of my car, she said its night and day when she sits in mine and hers.
#1517 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [billyperks2]
Nov 19, 2009 (5:12 pm)
First off, don't get me wrong. I like the TL. Its look has grown on me. In fact, it is currently sitting at top of my short list when my BMW 328i lease is up next March. However, I do have to agree with Boogeyman that Acura has made it unnecessary big in size, especially in length. Here are the dimensions of the cars mentioned:
TL RL BMW 535 Lexus GS MB E350 Volvo XC90
Length 195.3 195.7 191.1 190.0 191.7 189.3
Width 74.0 72.7 72.7 71.7 73.0 74.7
Wheelbase 109 110 114 112 110 113
Frt Legroom 42.5 42.3 41.5 43.5 41.3 41.0
Rr Legroom 36.2 36.3 36.0 36.4 35.8 34.6
(Sorry if it is a bit hard to read. I did try to adjust the spacing but not working.)
I included XC90 which I also owned. I used to think the XC90 is big, but the TL is even half foot longer than Volvo XC90, which has a 3rd row seats. With its larger overall size, the TL's wheelbase is the shortest among these vehicles, and its interior room is only marginally larger than some (actually smaller than Lexus GS).
I like the TL, but I wish its dimensions were in line with those of BMW, MB, and Lexus.
#1518 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [jtla]
Nov 19, 2009 (7:29 pm)
Those numbers somtimes dont mean anything.I extensively test drove the GS 350 AWD and the car feels cramped compared to the TL.I was actually leaning towards the GS but the price could not justify what I was getting compared to the TL.I would advise everyone to sit in the cars and ignore the dimensions on paper.I shopped almost one year before I purchased the TL.Here are the cars I test drove, E350, 535xi,GS350,G35 and the RL.
#1519 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [jtla]
Nov 20, 2009 (9:29 am)
Great analysis! I was going to pull the same stats, because I knew some of those cars were significantly smaller.
#1522 of 2002 4th Generation TL Rattle Issues?
Nov 20, 2009 (2:24 pm)
Hey everyone, I was curious to find out, the 2009 TL's have been out over a year now and the 2010 TLs are already here; the 3rd generation TL, especially from 2007-2008 was plagued with a lot of noise/rattle issues, things coming loose and making noise while driving etc
I wanted to find out from 4th generation owner if any of you have had rattle/quality issues with your TL at all or problems with vibrations/buzzing noises in your cars when driving? I'm just curious to see if Acura has begun to address these issues which affected a decent majority of 3rd generation owners because Acura makes a great product and the TL is by no means a cheap vehicle and for a 34k-35k dollar car to get rattles and vibration noises was just unacceptable
Thanks in advance for your posts and information!!!!
#1523 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [billyperks2]
Nov 21, 2009 (1:00 pm)
Let me try to explain this nicely, 'cause, as you know, we gotta play nice here in Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. Numbers do mean something. Your government spends a huge amount of your tax dollars compiling numbers. You can't just toss aside numbers if they don't fit your argument. If a car feels smaller on the inside than it's numbers would suggest, it's not that the numbers mean nothing. Probably that's more to do with the packaging...the size and shape of the seats, the curvature of the door panels, roofline, etc, etc, etc Acura could certainly have kept the interior "roominess" of the TL, but made the exterior smaller. No one is suggesting that they cut a foot off in length, but a couple of inches or so off the front and the back would make a world of difference. A lot of that exterior size is done for styling purposes. I think the length to wheelbase ratio is a real telling stat. The TL has a longer length but a shortish wheelbase. Aside from interior room, that gives it a somewhat awkward long overhang, which does nothing for it's aesthetics, practicality, or dynamics. What exactly is the TL? Full-size or mid-size? Is it sports sedan or cruiser? It's huge for a mid-size. It's exterior dimensions encroaches on full-size. But as a full-size, the interior and trunk capacity should be even roomier. It rides too harsh to be a cruiser, but it's not athletic enough to be considered a serious sports sedan. To me, it kind of symbolizes the confusion that's going on at Honda right now. They've gotten away from building the type of cars that made them what they were. They were good at building smaller, efficient, sensible, practical, but fun to drive cars. Now, they are trying to upsize their products, to be "edgy", to be "bold". They can almost pass for a division of General Motors. But the results show in their sales. They have now resorted to stuffing consumers' pocket with rebates to try to sell a lot of their models. There's a $5K rebate on the TL! Previously that's unfanthomable for a brand new first-year Honda/Acura model. You look at some of their new offerings....Crosstour, ZDX, Insight, the TL to a certain degree, and you go "what the heck is that about?"
Have a nice day now. And a great big Hello to our friendly hosts!
#1524 of 2002 Re: 4th Generation TL Rattle Issues? [smarty666]
Nov 21, 2009 (1:10 pm)
no rattles, no buzzes, just pleasure
#1525 of 2002 Re: Where are the 2009 TL Owners? [boogeyman]
Nov 21, 2009 (4:47 pm)
Play as nice as you want, the Government spend a lot of money on other things that does not benefit the taxpayer.I am seaking from my own experience, I complied all those numbers before I bought my TL beacause there were other cars out there that was giving the TL stiff competition for my purchase.I owned a 2003 TL type S so I wanted to try a different brand, when I went out and did the test drives (for a year) and factored in the financial aspect the TL won by a mile.