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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [neilman]
by draz2
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Jun 01, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 5:59 am)
I own the FWD/Tech car and it's just awesome. I drove the SH-AWD car and (for me) it was way too hard riding. But then I live in NYC and the roads here aren't the best. But I'd be very careful before buying the AWD car because of the hard ride. As for the wheels, I guess I'm one of the very few who actually like the design of the 17" stock rims. They ride on 50 profile tires which still provides a fairly firm ride without being, in any way harsh. If you move to 18" rims (to keep the overall diameter almost the same), you're going to need to change to 45 profile tires and that will definitely make the ride harder. The seats on the AWD car are more heavily bolstered on the sides and that is something I didn't like. I found the seats in the FWD car to be just about perfect. I don't find the lumbar support to be intrusive in any way but I guess if you have specific back problems that could be an issue. Is suspect it might be an issue with any car seat though as the seats in the TL have garnered almost universal praise for their comfort. I looked at the G car and it was way too cramped for me. I also found that the engine noise was too "buzzy." While that could be fun for a while it's definitely a turn-off as a daily driver. And the nav screen was nowhere near as clear as the one in the TL. have you looked at the new Lincoln MKS with the new 'Ecotech' engine? On paper it sounds like something you may like if you decide against the TL. The TL is one awesome car though for the money!
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Re: 09 TL Grille [neilman]
by draz2
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Jun 01, 2009 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 4:14 pm)
So far so good.
I love my "beak."
(lol)
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [draz2]
by neilman
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Jun 01, 2009 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 01, 2009 8:19 am)
Thanks Draz2...appreciate the input...
I'm happy to report I went back to the dealer and sat in the car today and by making adjustments to the seat bottom to be flatter rather than having the back part on a decline I was able to relieve the pressure on the lumbar area...it's actually what I do in my car now..but had not remembered that detail. Looks like it might actually work out for me...only thing now is sh vs fwd...love the power and handling of the sh...our roads here in South Florida are pretty good...but the trunk is cramped because of the awd and has many uneven surfaces which would make it pretty hard to maneuver even one large suitcase into. I still want the sh though...need to think through it.
Thanks!
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [draz2]
by Chasboy
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Jun 01, 2009 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 01, 2009 8:19 am)
I agree about the standard wheels. I liked them better, but now that I'm used to the SH wheels I like that they are a little 'badass' looking with the darker color. I was in NYC yesterday and the car handled the road fine. I'm old fashioned and because of my first car, a 1959 Fiat with a BAD front end, I'm hysterical about hitting any bumps. I love my car. My brother who lives in Fl. told me he pulled up next to one and enjoyed the growl coming from the exhaust on the SH.
As for the "beak", I'm starting to have concern about the long term durability of the finish. It should not need to be polished whenever there is a watermark.
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [neilman]
by hpmctorque
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Jun 03, 2009 (9:40 pm)
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Replying to: neilman (Jun 01, 2009 1:44 pm)
In warm climates with straight, level roads, the negatives of all wheel drive (weight, fuel economy, complexity, extra initial cost) outweigh the positives by a wide margins. I might choose SH-AWD over FWD if I lived in the Upper Midwest, the Rocky Mountain region or New England, but never if I lived in Florida. Never. Rain or no rain. AWD in Florida is the equivalent of using a cannon to kill a mosquito.
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Manual Transmission?
by mdhauke
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Jun 04, 2009 (7:09 pm)
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I am disappointed the 09 does not have manual transmission. Does anybody know if the 10 model will have that option?
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Re: Manual Transmission? [mdhauke]
by Chasboy
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Jun 04, 2009 (8:09 pm)
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Replying to: mdhauke (Jun 04, 2009 7:09 pm)
I believe it will be offered in 2010.
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Re: 09 TL Grille [neilman]
by Chasboy
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Jun 04, 2009 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 4:14 pm)
I'm becoming very concerned about the grill's durability also.
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- #1431 of 1532
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Re: 09 TL Grille [Chasboy]
by neilman
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Jun 05, 2009 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: Chasboy (Jun 04, 2009 8:23 pm)
Can you be more specific...are you noticing any problems? It is a massive amount of chrome for the front of a car, which usually takes the most wear and tear. I don't know of any other vehicle with a large solid piece of chrome in the front like the TL. It may have to be something to add to the cost of ownership...i.e. having to replace it after every few years or somthing. Doubt that would be cheap...
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- #1432 of 1532
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Re: 09 TL Grille [neilman]
by Chasboy
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Jun 05, 2009 (5:16 am)
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Replying to: neilman (Jun 05, 2009 4:48 am)
Neil, this would not be the first time a manufacturer had to come up with a solution to cure a problem. There is no way the customer should have to pick up the cost of replacing what could develop into a design flaw. When I picked up the car, it had watermarks on the grill. I mentioned this and the detail guys polished them all out nicely. I have since seen similar marks left when washing(didn't dry it thoroughly the first time) and they seemed to come out. Naturally the grill is going to take a lot of bug and road debris hits. All of that has cleaned up well. However, I'm keeping a close watch on it and I might start a 'complaint campaign' to Acura if it seems that long term durability is going to be a problem. We own this car and plan to keep it a very long time. 
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