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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [neilman]
by hpmctorque
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May 31, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 5:59 am)
There's a saying that applies to your hesitancy on the TL, "when in doubt, stay out."
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- #1420 of 1532
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Re: Missing Feature Wish List Poll [draz2]
by neilman
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May 31, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (May 19, 2009 8:18 am)
I've had rain sensing wipers since 02 and love it...I live in South Florida where it rains a lots...really helps to keep my hands on the wheel rather than fussing with the wipers...a the rain constantly fluctuates from hard to soft etc. Definitely would have a tough time if I had to give it up. Unfortunately it is difficult to find in up to $45k vehicles...I see it as a safety feature versus luxury. It is standard on BMW if I'm not mistaken...although they charge extra for paint and nickle and dime on all else.
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- #1421 of 1532
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [hpmctorque]
by neilman
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May 31, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 31, 2009 8:15 am)
Thanks...hpmc...that's good advise I'm sure.
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- #1422 of 1532
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09 TL Grille
by neilman
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May 31, 2009 (4:14 pm)
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Question for those who have the new TL...that's a lot of chrome on the front of the car which is subject to bugs road tar etc....how has the grille held up so far? Any blemishes? Dings?
Thanks!
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [neilman]
by draz2
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Jun 01, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 5:59 am)
I own the FWD/Tech car and it's just awesome. I drove the SH-AWD car and (for me) it was way too hard riding. But then I live in NYC and the roads here aren't the best. But I'd be very careful before buying the AWD car because of the hard ride. As for the wheels, I guess I'm one of the very few who actually like the design of the 17" stock rims. They ride on 50 profile tires which still provides a fairly firm ride without being, in any way harsh. If you move to 18" rims (to keep the overall diameter almost the same), you're going to need to change to 45 profile tires and that will definitely make the ride harder. The seats on the AWD car are more heavily bolstered on the sides and that is something I didn't like. I found the seats in the FWD car to be just about perfect. I don't find the lumbar support to be intrusive in any way but I guess if you have specific back problems that could be an issue. Is suspect it might be an issue with any car seat though as the seats in the TL have garnered almost universal praise for their comfort. I looked at the G car and it was way too cramped for me. I also found that the engine noise was too "buzzy." While that could be fun for a while it's definitely a turn-off as a daily driver. And the nav screen was nowhere near as clear as the one in the TL. have you looked at the new Lincoln MKS with the new 'Ecotech' engine? On paper it sounds like something you may like if you decide against the TL. The TL is one awesome car though for the money!
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Re: 09 TL Grille [neilman]
by draz2
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Jun 01, 2009 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: neilman (May 31, 2009 4:14 pm)
So far so good.
I love my "beak."
(lol)
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [draz2]
by neilman
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Jun 01, 2009 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 01, 2009 8:19 am)
Thanks Draz2...appreciate the input...
I'm happy to report I went back to the dealer and sat in the car today and by making adjustments to the seat bottom to be flatter rather than having the back part on a decline I was able to relieve the pressure on the lumbar area...it's actually what I do in my car now..but had not remembered that detail. Looks like it might actually work out for me...only thing now is sh vs fwd...love the power and handling of the sh...our roads here in South Florida are pretty good...but the trunk is cramped because of the awd and has many uneven surfaces which would make it pretty hard to maneuver even one large suitcase into. I still want the sh though...need to think through it.
Thanks!
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [draz2]
by Chasboy
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Jun 01, 2009 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 01, 2009 8:19 am)
I agree about the standard wheels. I liked them better, but now that I'm used to the SH wheels I like that they are a little 'badass' looking with the darker color. I was in NYC yesterday and the car handled the road fine. I'm old fashioned and because of my first car, a 1959 Fiat with a BAD front end, I'm hysterical about hitting any bumps. I love my car. My brother who lives in Fl. told me he pulled up next to one and enjoyed the growl coming from the exhaust on the SH.
As for the "beak", I'm starting to have concern about the long term durability of the finish. It should not need to be polished whenever there is a watermark.
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- #1427 of 1532
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Re: on the fence re 09 TL [neilman]
by hpmctorque
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Jun 03, 2009 (9:40 pm)
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Replying to: neilman (Jun 01, 2009 1:44 pm)
In warm climates with straight, level roads, the negatives of all wheel drive (weight, fuel economy, complexity, extra initial cost) outweigh the positives by a wide margins. I might choose SH-AWD over FWD if I lived in the Upper Midwest, the Rocky Mountain region or New England, but never if I lived in Florida. Never. Rain or no rain. AWD in Florida is the equivalent of using a cannon to kill a mosquito.
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- #1428 of 1532
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Manual Transmission?
by mdhauke
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Jun 04, 2009 (7:09 pm)
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I am disappointed the 09 does not have manual transmission. Does anybody know if the 10 model will have that option?
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