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driver by gvk
Dec 30, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Strange, many still keep comparing TL to BMW 3, IS, G35 & A4 e.t.c. Maybe it was ok to do so with the previous TL vs.those four mostly, even though it was not right at all if we wanted to be consistent and compare actually "oranges" to oranges and apples to apples"... and now the new TL is "way" out of such comparability, but they still do it !? Even the previous TL was more comparable to BMW 5 ruther than BMW 3, and now the new TL is just exactly where it should be i.e. in the BMW 5 range.. and they still don't get it, hello !!! Given the way Acura make cars, I think Acura is not actually striving to "exactly match" their cars to any of the competitors, they just have some diffrent philosophy..
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Re: driver [gvk] by habitat1
Dec 31, 2008 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: gvk (Dec 30, 2008 9:34 am)

The TL comparable to the 5-series? I happen to have a 2004 6-speed TL, but I'd need to eat a lot of mushrooms before I could hallucinate that comparison.
 
The 5 series is the pinnacle of mid size, full luxury sport sedan. The TL is a FWD mear luxury sport sedan that, in spite of it's excess obesity for 2009, doesn't have much more interior space than the new 3 series. They are a lot closer now than when I bought in 2004.
 
I'm obviously not a TL hater or I wouldn't be driving one. But I know the difference between a FWD sporty sedan and a serious sports sedan. In pure driving dynamics, the automatic only, FWD TL for 2009 has more in common with Buick than BMW.
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Re: driver [habitat1] by golfrski
Jan 01, 2009 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 31, 2008 7:08 pm)

TL compared to BMW 3 series and 5 series (interior space). The specifications published speak for themselves. Apprears BMW has interestingly enough NOT published some key interior specs.... the rest put the TL in line with the 5 Series not the 3 overall in the front and rear leg, shoulder and hip areas.
 
Interior TL 3 Series 5 Series
 
Front Headroom 38.4 in. 38.5 in. 39.1 in.
Rear Headroom 36.7 in. 37.5 in. 38.1 in.
Front Shoulder Room 58.1 in. 55.4 in. 57.3 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 56.2 in. 55.1 in. 57.2 in.
Front Hip Room 55.7 in. Not Published Not Published
Rear Hip Room 54.8 in. Not Published Not Published
Front Leg Room 42.5 in. 41.5 in. 41.5 in.
Rear Leg Room 36.2 in. 34.6 in. 36 in.
Maximum Luggage Capacity 13.1 cu. ft. 12 cu. ft. 14 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating 5 5 5
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Re: driver [golfrski] by habitat1
Jan 03, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: golfrski (Jan 01, 2009 5:45 pm)

I was giving gvk more credit than assuming his comparison was only based upon size. If that's your only metric, I'm sure you can find many more direct comparsons from Kia , Ford and GM.
 
The 2004 TL, with a 6-speed manual, sport suspension and Brembo brake equiped model option, had at least some semblence of comparison to the TYPE of car the BMW 330i was at the time. But now, the bloated TL, with an automatic only transmission and even less sporty suspension and balance, is not in the same category as the BMW 335i. From a size standpoint, compare it to a Lexus ES350, Nissan Maxima or Toyota Avalon if you want, but comparing it to a 5 series for that reason isn't much better than comparing a Prius to a 911.
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Re: driver [habitat1] by golfrski
Jan 03, 2009 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 03, 2009 12:34 pm)

I wasn't replying to a post about Kia, Ford or GM but you are probably correct. All I can say is I took my "bloated" 09 TL SHAWD with 18" wheels, sport suspension, Brembo brakes- out the first weekend I had it along with my buddy in his 08 A6 and my cousin in his new 335i (stick)on a nice winding road w/ great 1/2 mile straights and not only smoked em off the line, but left them counting the digits on my license plate as my car stuck to the corners like a beetle on fly paper... Say what you want, its a valid and respected opinion but , I respectfully disagree IMHO.
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Re: driver [golfrski] by bodble2
Jan 04, 2009 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: golfrski (Jan 03, 2009 1:54 pm)

I had understood exactly where you were coming from. And I agree that Acura appears to be no longer chasing the 3-series (with the TL). The SH-AWD TL does seem to be targeted at the 5-series. Maybe not the 550, or certainly not the M5, but most certainly the 535ix. So, yeah, I think your comparison is valid. You gotta know, there are some members around here that are only interested in chest-thumping.
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Leno chin car by smithed
Jan 07, 2009 (9:40 am)
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This thing has too much "chin": just look at that overhang preceding the front wheels. Is that a cow catcher?
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Re: Leno chin car [smithed] by bodble2
Jan 07, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: smithed (Jan 07, 2009 9:40 am)

Yeah, I agree. I thought they could have tried harder to shave a couple of inches off of the front and an inch or so off the back. It would have improved the side profile view, and also resulted in tidier exterior dimensions. At over 195", it is just too long for a mid-size sedan.

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