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#1162 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [bodble2] by kennyg8 Oct 22, 2008 (5:43 pm)
Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 4:51 pm) I do not disagree that the quality of Acura or Honda cars has been slipping in recent years. But I guess you also do not disagree that their quality is still better than many brands. Cars are getting more complex these days, as manufacturers try to jam many more electronic, mechanical and computer-related gizmos into the car. Thus, the chances of having some of these gizmos fail increase exponentially.   [Putting on flame suit as I type this paragraph] Also, most of Acura and Honda cars are now assembled in the U.S., and it appears that the quality and reliability of such cars have slipped. On the other hand, my 3 Maximas (1992, 1997 and 2003) were all made and assembled in Japan and I never had any significant problem with them. I hope my 06 TL will give me the same quality. Replies to this message: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 7:54 pm)
#1163 of 1464 Re: [lax29] by fornov Oct 22, 2008 (7:15 pm)
Replying to: lax29 (Oct 22, 2008 1:22 pm) No, I have not driven the 09 yet. I've been trying to be patient and wait for the SH-AWD version to come out before I drive one, since that's the only version I would consider buying. Were you saying your dealer has demo's of the AWD version? I don't know if my local dealer has any of those, but I'll have to ask. I'm going in for my next routine service next week, so if they do have one, I'll make sure I drive it and give my report on my experience.
#1164 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [kennyg8] by bodble2 Oct 22, 2008 (7:54 pm)
Replying to: kennyg8 (Oct 22, 2008 5:43 pm) Bingo! You took the words right out of my mouth --- no question that the increase in problems in Honda and Acura cars are in large part due to their increased complexity and sophistication over the years. That, however, doesn't explain the fit and finish problems, which leads to the second valid point you made, which was in regard to the fact that most Hondas and Acuras are now made in North America. While maybe not scientifically proven, but I think there is significant anecdotal evidence that suggests that Japanese-built cars generally have better quality and reliability. Of course, there are exceptions, but I'm speaking generally.
#1165 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [habitat1] by dvsutton Oct 22, 2008 (11:24 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 22, 2008 10:56 am) Thanks for chiming in. How long have you been selling Hondas? I didn't know you were one of THOSE people who only buy imports thinking they are superior. I WAS one of THOSE people. But I have learned from my mistakes. Replies to this message: habitat1 (Oct 23, 2008 6:04 am) anythngbutgm (Oct 29, 2008 11:27 am)
#1166 of 1464 front seat head rests kink our necks by bonju Oct 23, 2008 (12:39 am)
My husband and I have been torn between the TL and the Infiniti G35. I think we've settled on the G. The ride and finish of the G are more pleasing to us, but the slightly better fuel economy and increased voice commands are appealing in the TL.   We really dislike the 2009 TL exterior design and have found that the front seat head rests are angled uncomfortably too far forward, causing noticeable discomfort after even a short test-driving trip. We've been told that the head rests are only adjustable upward and forward (I think that's what we were told). Wondering if anyone else has been troubled by this and if anyone knows if there's a fix for this annoyance?
#1167 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [dvsutton] by habitat1 Oct 23, 2008 (6:04 am)
Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 11:24 pm) How long have you been selling Hondas?   (Warning - bodble - you may want to skip this post as I feel compelled to discuss another one of my automotive experiences).   Dvsutton - The answer is ever since I quit selling Porsches. I think most car enthusiasts and experts would claim that the 911 is one the most time tested, durable, highest fit and finish sports car in the world. Yet my 3 year old 911S had to go back to the shop at least 5 times before they finally replaced the entire motor system to fix a convertible top that would get stuck in the down position. Next week I'm heading back in for the third time my automatic deploying rear spoiler has failed. And twice last year the car flooded through (supposedly) clogged cowl drains while simply sitting outside on level ground in the rain. The first time, it was a $5,000 reapir bill that I got hit with a $1000 deductable on my insurance policy, the second time Porsche took full responsibility, but only after I went to a their national customer service rep and laid down the law - literally and figuratively.   Do you see me posting ad nauseum that "Porsche sucks" or its a "garbage car"? No - about the most I've done is post a single "buyer beware" on the flooding issue. I know of dozens of other Porsche owners that have had one or two problems, but nothing like my misfortune. And, once I get past the hassles I've had, the car still drives like no other car I've ever owned. So I simply put it in perspective.   Do yourself a favor. Sell your friggin Odyssey. At least with Honda, the high resale value means that Odyssey is worth about 5 times what any used Ford is worth at 20k miles. And then buy the Ford. But try to understand that your campaign to convince the rest of the world that Acura and Honda are "garbage cars" is a fruitless exercise. I think you have sufficiently "vented". If you really think you'd be better off in a Ford or Chevy, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is. I suspect they are practically giving them away at this point.   You may not believe this, but I sincerely wish you the best of luck. It isn't fun having misfortune and you do have my sympathy for that. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Oct 29, 2008 11:27 am)
#1168 of 1464 okay guys by pat HOST Oct 23, 2008 (6:31 am)
Let's agree to disagree and drop this. The subject is the 09 TL, we don't have to keep arguing about other cars here.
#1169 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [laurasdada] by charles12 Oct 23, 2008 (11:03 am)
Replying to: laurasdada (Oct 22, 2008 2:11 pm) laurasdada,   I agree with your that Honda's quality is good. I used to have a civic and accord (both brought brand new). For 8 -10 years both had no problem at all. That is why I brought the 2008 TL. One painful issue for the TL is the rattle noise. I noticed that some of the rattle noise is temperature sensitive (e.g. above 70 some locations make rattle noise and below 40 some other locations). The rattle comes and goes. I am always nervous when the car passes some uneven road, making noise (not rattle) from doors and dashboard. Do you have such problem after fixing by dealers. What is your rattle noise and how they fixed it? The dealer here said that the noise is normal since it is a sports car.   Your suggestion is highly appreciated.   C   Since Replies to this message: laurasdada (Oct 23, 2008 3:05 pm)
#1170 of 1464 Re: Acura should call it quits. [charles12] by laurasdada Oct 23, 2008 (3:05 pm)
Replying to: charles12 (Oct 23, 2008 11:03 am) Hi, Charles:   The first rattle was the sunroof wind deflector. Replaced, no more rattle. The second was the drivers sun visor, replaced no rattle. Unfortunately, each fix took two trips to the dealer before finally resolved.   Other than that, no persistent rattles. I think the rattles I do hear are from all the detritus I have in door bins, center bin, glove box!
#1171 of 1464 On my third 2003 TL Transmission by roccoman7 Oct 26, 2008 (12:19 am)
I noticed a post from a few days ago bashing honda in that their transmissions fail in 30k miles or less. For a while there, that was pretty much my experience . I had transmission failures at 19,000 and 61,000. I had a couple minor problems between that but I am proud to say at 101,000 miles nothing at all has gone wrong in the last 40,000. Although I was not a happy camper when my first transmission blew inside the Lincoln tunnel to manhattan in rush hour on a friday evening, I must say that Acura handled the situation extremely professionally. Luckily they noticed the 2nd transmission failure during an oil change when I observed something off when shifting from 3rd to 4th and had them check it. Anyway my point is that granted Acura had MAJOR transmission problems in cars built in those couple of years, they took full responsibility and made sure not a dime left my pocket and i was inconvenienced as minimally as possible. Both replacements took 7 days in which I was given a loaner car. If i was treated any differently, I would not have been at the acura dealership on September 24th to be one of the first to test drive the 09. Despite everybodys complaints about its size and ugliness, I really enjoyed driving it and have it high on my list when I'm ready to buy in the next month or two. I'll do this with the confidence that if there are any problems down the road with engine, trans or whatever, acura will be man enough to admit it and take appropriate action. These past transmission problems will not affect my decision at all when considering it as my next car.

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