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Re: [habitat1] by fornov
Oct 22, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 22, 2008 10:34 am)

Thanks for the comment. It is tough to "need" FWD or AWD (and I understand the usage of quotes there). It really limits your options. It seems like more and more cars are coming with an AWD option these days, so perhaps when it's time to replace the car I'm about to buy, I'll have even better options to choose from.
 
That's a good suggestion about the 535ix (is that new nomenclature? I thought it used to be ...xi) - I did drive one a few months ago, and I liked it quite a bit. I guess I'll need to think about that one more.
 
I do worry about making the TL so heavy. From what I've seen, it will still be significantly faster than the current (non-type-S) TL. The AWD system sounds very good. I'd only list mileage as a secondary concern because the marginal cost of the extra gas is only a drop in the bucket compared to the marginal cost of the vehicles themselves. It does make you feel better to drive a more fuel-efficient car, though. Perhaps I'll look at a Tesla next time...
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Re: Just An Observation [bodble2] by bodble2
Oct 22, 2008 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 8:28 am)

Oops....meant to say "I would not count on that happening anytime soon".
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Re: [fornov] by lax29
Oct 22, 2008 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: fornov (Oct 22, 2008 11:43 am)

fornov
I take it you have not driven the 09 as of yet. Drove my 04 TL to the dealer yesterday and tested the 09 TECH. Didn't realize that they now have "DEMO" cars that are not for sale. Anyway, drove it down some curvy roads and then on to the highway. Drives much bigger then the 3G TL. Not overly faster then the current. Just felt like I was in this large vehicle. When I got back in my 04, it felt like I was driving a civic. Think I need to drive it again to get more of a feel. My first impression wasn't " I got to have this". If you can understand that feeling. Kind of felt that with my 04. However the interior and tech features were great. Made my car feel outdated.
 
I keep checking for other driving impressions, but doesn't seem to be many of them out there on this forum. Let me know if you drive it.
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [dvsutton] by laurasdada
Oct 22, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am)

'Tis a shame that you have had such issues. But, from my experience, your experience (and the poor tortured souls you have had to spend so much time with at the dealer...) are atypical.
 
My family has owned Honda products since the mid '70s, I can't recall a single issue of note. More recently, since 2003, my father has owned 2 TLs, my brother an MDX and an RDX (and now my father's TL). I'm currently driving an '05 TL. My only issues with the TL have been a couple of rattles, fixed under warranty. My father/brother report no issues. A neighbor is on his second trouble-free TL since '02. My boss even has a first gen TL he bought used with nearly 100,000 miles and has had no issues!
 
Good luck with the money you'll save (don't invest it in the stock market! ) by buying your next garbage-free car! Prior to my TL, I drove a garbage-free Chrylser 300m for 5.5 years, maybe a 300 sin basura might be to your liking...
 
PS: Does your Acura dealer have an NSX as a loaner? My dealer does, but the few times I've had appointments, the person just before me got it!
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [laurasdada] by bodble2
Oct 22, 2008 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Oct 22, 2008 1:11 pm)

"But, from my experience, your experience...... are atypical.'
 
That being said, Honda (Acura) quality and reliability aren't what they used to be. Hondas in the '80's and much of the '90's were absolutely bullet-proof with little or no initial quality issues. Not so much now. Still better than most, but more fit and finish problems, initial quality issues, and some lingering mechanical issues such as the transmission problem.
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [dvsutton] by kennyg8
Oct 22, 2008 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am)

Dvsutton, please don't misunderstand my comments. I am not questioning the fact that your wife's minivan has transmission problem, and I feel sorry for you that you have to deal with this recurring problem. However, as many on this forum has said, your problem is far from being widespread (i.e. atypical) when it comes to Acura or Honda cars in general. In fact, these cars, in my opinion and the opinion of many others, including Consumer Reports, are quite reliable when compared with other brands. In other words, your constant denigration of Acura or Honda is biased, because from your perspective, your wife's minivan is problematic for you (and a very small minority of owners).
 
While I sympathize with your anger and anguish, but coming to this Acura TL forum (this is not Honda Ody forum) to voice your complaints seems to be a bit out of place and unwarranted, because most members here do not have similar problems with their TLs, especially the 3G. Voice your concerns in the Ody forum and may be you will get a more receptive and sympathetic audience. Peace out!
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [bodble2] by kennyg8
Oct 22, 2008 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 3:51 pm)

I do not disagree that the quality of Acura or Honda cars has been slipping in recent years. But I guess you also do not disagree that their quality is still better than many brands. Cars are getting more complex these days, as manufacturers try to jam many more electronic, mechanical and computer-related gizmos into the car. Thus, the chances of having some of these gizmos fail increase exponentially.
 
[Putting on flame suit as I type this paragraph] Also, most of Acura and Honda cars are now assembled in the U.S., and it appears that the quality and reliability of such cars have slipped. On the other hand, my 3 Maximas (1992, 1997 and 2003) were all made and assembled in Japan and I never had any significant problem with them. I hope my 06 TL will give me the same quality.
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Re: [lax29] by fornov
Oct 22, 2008 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: lax29 (Oct 22, 2008 12:22 pm)

No, I have not driven the 09 yet. I've been trying to be patient and wait for the SH-AWD version to come out before I drive one, since that's the only version I would consider buying. Were you saying your dealer has demo's of the AWD version? I don't know if my local dealer has any of those, but I'll have to ask. I'm going in for my next routine service next week, so if they do have one, I'll make sure I drive it and give my report on my experience.
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [kennyg8] by bodble2
Oct 22, 2008 (6:54 pm)
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Replying to: kennyg8 (Oct 22, 2008 4:43 pm)

Bingo! You took the words right out of my mouth --- no question that the increase in problems in Honda and Acura cars are in large part due to their increased complexity and sophistication over the years. That, however, doesn't explain the fit and finish problems, which leads to the second valid point you made, which was in regard to the fact that most Hondas and Acuras are now made in North America. While maybe not scientifically proven, but I think there is significant anecdotal evidence that suggests that Japanese-built cars generally have better quality and reliability. Of course, there are exceptions, but I'm speaking generally.
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Re: Acura should call it quits. [habitat1] by dvsutton
Oct 22, 2008 (10:24 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 22, 2008 9:56 am)

Thanks for chiming in. How long have you been selling Hondas? I didn't know you were one of THOSE people who only buy imports thinking they are superior. I WAS one of THOSE people. But I have learned from my mistakes.

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