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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am) I think you've worn out your anti-Honda/Acura bantor - and potentially your credibility in the process. Over the course of your last dozen posts, about half of them contained a "As I write this on my lap top in a uncomfortable chair in the Honda dealership"... It's not my place to question the claim of having had two transmission failures in 18k miles. Nor all of the other problems you listed. Or even question your poll-taking skills with "30 or more" customers in the service waiting room. Rather here's what I would suggest to ease your pain: (1) Have your wife get her own vehicle serviced and repaired and let her sit in the uncomfortable waiting room chair herself. Maybe she did absolutely nothing wrong in the way she drove the Odyssey to cause the failures, but in the slim chance she did, it might help her connect the dots. Worked well for a buddy of mine who's wife had been going through a set of BMW brakes and rotors with every other tank of gas. (2) Buy manual transmissions, whenever possible. That's my standard policy / recommendation in all of these forums, but it seems particularly appropriate for someone with your (wife's) luck. (3) Go ahead and get that Ford that you were praising in another forum as "much better looking than the goofy styled Honda and Toyota". I'm sure you will have much less trouble with a Ford than a Honda or Toyota. But just in case, be prepared to sit on the floor of a Ford service lounge when the bankruptcy court repossesses their Barcoloungers to pay off creditors. (4) Bring those other 27 out of 30 disgruntled Honda customers with you over to Ford. That should get you an immediate appointment as senior vice president of marketing. Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting Honda/Acura is perfect by any means. Good to very good, but definitely not perfect. On the other hand, it seems to me that either you work for Ford or have been so severely mistreated, that you have lost your rational thinking skills. I can't fathom how you've managed to post 5-6 times on different days from the Honda service lounge. Our Acura dealer provides loaners for all service apporintments. My former Honda dealer, upon a $10 convertible latch breaking a second time in the first month, sent their technician 20 miles to my house to install the replacement in my garage. Followed by a call from their national customer service rep to apologize for my inconvenience. Try getting that out of Ford. Let us know how you make out with the Fiesta or whatever non-goofy car you were considering.
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Replying to: fornov (Oct 21, 2008 6:57 pm) 1. bad understeer and plowing into corners 2. torque steer 3. wheel spin with even moderate acceleration from a stop 4. squealing wheels any time a corner is driven anything but lightly 5. about the slowest car in its class The new TL-SHAWD should partly take care of some of your issues, but it is going to come at the expense of a nearly 4,000 lb car, which, even with the boosted output, is unlikely to anywhere near as quick as a lighter 335ix and will probably knock 15-20% off your current gas mileage. It seems like you have the conflict of "needing" FWD or AWD with the desire to have a car that performs like a 50/50 balanced RWD. If it's any consolation, I can sympathize. But given that you indicated that you would have been interested in an AWD AMG car, I would also suggest the 535ix. It's a little more upscale than the 335i and, from what a neighbor who owns one has indicated, is nearly a perfect compromise for all weather, sporty handling and passenger size. They live near us in DC, but have a winter ski house in the Pocono's and the 535ix handlied the snow very well. He previously leased an RL and claims that the 535ix handles and performs much better (described the RL as sluggish). He also did the unconventional thing and got a 6-speed manual. His wife gave him a little grief in the beginning, suggesting they had "outgrown" a manual transmission; but now she drives the car more than him.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 22, 2008 10:34 am) That's a good suggestion about the 535ix (is that new nomenclature? I thought it used to be ...xi) - I did drive one a few months ago, and I liked it quite a bit. I guess I'll need to think about that one more. I do worry about making the TL so heavy. From what I've seen, it will still be significantly faster than the current (non-type-S) TL. The AWD system sounds very good. I'd only list mileage as a secondary concern because the marginal cost of the extra gas is only a drop in the bucket compared to the marginal cost of the vehicles themselves. It does make you feel better to drive a more fuel-efficient car, though. Perhaps I'll look at a Tesla next time...
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 8:28 am) |
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Replying to: fornov (Oct 22, 2008 11:43 am) I take it you have not driven the 09 as of yet. Drove my 04 TL to the dealer yesterday and tested the 09 TECH. Didn't realize that they now have "DEMO" cars that are not for sale. Anyway, drove it down some curvy roads and then on to the highway. Drives much bigger then the 3G TL. Not overly faster then the current. Just felt like I was in this large vehicle. When I got back in my 04, it felt like I was driving a civic. Think I need to drive it again to get more of a feel. My first impression wasn't " I got to have this". If you can understand that feeling. Kind of felt that with my 04. However the interior and tech features were great. Made my car feel outdated. I keep checking for other driving impressions, but doesn't seem to be many of them out there on this forum. Let me know if you drive it.
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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am) My family has owned Honda products since the mid '70s, I can't recall a single issue of note. More recently, since 2003, my father has owned 2 TLs, my brother an MDX and an RDX (and now my father's TL). I'm currently driving an '05 TL. My only issues with the TL have been a couple of rattles, fixed under warranty. My father/brother report no issues. A neighbor is on his second trouble-free TL since '02. My boss even has a first gen TL he bought used with nearly 100,000 miles and has had no issues! Good luck with the money you'll save (don't invest it in the stock market!   ) by buying your next garbage-free car! Prior to my TL, I drove a garbage-free Chrylser 300m for 5.5 years, maybe a 300 sin basura might be to your liking... PS: Does your Acura dealer have an NSX as a loaner? My dealer does, but the few times I've had appointments, the person just before me got it! 
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Replying to: laurasdada (Oct 22, 2008 1:11 pm) That being said, Honda (Acura) quality and reliability aren't what they used to be. Hondas in the '80's and much of the '90's were absolutely bullet-proof with little or no initial quality issues. Not so much now. Still better than most, but more fit and finish problems, initial quality issues, and some lingering mechanical issues such as the transmission problem.
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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 22, 2008 6:43 am) While I sympathize with your anger and anguish, but coming to this Acura TL forum (this is not Honda Ody forum) to voice your complaints seems to be a bit out of place and unwarranted, because most members here do not have similar problems with their TLs, especially the 3G. Voice your concerns in the Ody forum and may be you will get a more receptive and sympathetic audience. Peace out! |
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Replying to: bodble2 (Oct 22, 2008 3:51 pm) [Putting on flame suit as I type this paragraph] Also, most of Acura and Honda cars are now assembled in the U.S., and it appears that the quality and reliability of such cars have slipped. On the other hand, my 3 Maximas (1992, 1997 and 2003) were all made and assembled in Japan and I never had any significant problem with them. I hope my 06 TL will give me the same quality.
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Replying to: lax29 (Oct 22, 2008 12:22 pm) |
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