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Replying to: marsha7 (Feb 27, 2009 8:55 am) My best friend that I worked with for 37 years came to Alaska as an IBEW telephone equipment installer. Much of the job in 1970 was wire wrapping connections. The better installers which Bob was one of the best would take pride in how many pairs they wrapped in a day. He jumped in our new equipment with a vengeance. The second day the IBEW shop steward/foreman called him aside and told him to cut it in half. He was working too hard. A month later our boss hired him and he became a Teamster. Being senior technicians we were not subject to that kind of stupidity. And our bosses were grateful for our efforts to convert the state of Alaska from all manual calling to direct distance dialing. In fact we would only see the boss about once a week. He would come down to see how it was going. Self starters do not need a lot of supervision. And I liked it that way. PS I know some here like to ignore that big negative hanging over the UAW. They will blame it on Global Warming or currency manipulation. When it is in FACT just lousy employees. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 11:01 pm) Incorrect!!! In my world we would have competition from inside our borders. Hey Rocky, we love ya, but there's a problem with your scenario. You want it "like the 60's", where we have little foreign trade and are pretty-much self-sufficient internally. You see that this will preserve our standard of living. The problem is that today's cars use many foreign components. Where will you get the control computers that run today's engines? Are we going back to carburetors? How about the CD or MP3 player? The GPS system? Antilock brake controls? And even more importantly, where is the gasoline coming from? You seem to want it all internal except for what we NEED from outside. And that's not going to work. Just on gasoline alone, if we started producing 60's-era cars again and did no foreign trade, only half of us would be able to drive since we would have so little fuel! So pick your choice - half the driving with 60's era cars, or today's technology with globalization. Hint: you can't go backwards.
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Replying to: tlong (Feb 27, 2009 10:42 am) Too many Leave it Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet re-runs on TV. That may have been the way it was for a UAW family. The rest of US it was more like the Munsters or Addams Family. Barely enough food and buying 10 year old cars that were worn out when we bought them. Rocky would like me to work in an auto factory. I would like him to climb a 200 foot tower and swing a microwave dish at 35 below zero when he is 60 years old. Both good paying jobs. Which is toughest?
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 27, 2009 10:52 am) 
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 27, 2009 5:36 am) It is wayyy down. In most cases as much as 30% for retailers like Chico's or GAP, etc... http://www.gapinc.com/public/Media/Press_Releases/med_pr_Januarysales020509.shtm- l COMPARABLE STORE SALES DOWN 23 PERCENT |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 27, 2009 11:00 am) Did you have a low paid worker who went up and cleaned the snow off the steps and the work area for you? 
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 27, 2009 12:18 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 27, 2009 5:36 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 27, 2009 5:52 pm)  
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Ya know, that almost looks like snow and ice, as tho you are trying to give the impression that it was cold outside...   It is just that some of us have yet to see reality after all the justified beating the UAW gets...justified simply because they demand royal treatment for lug nuts and floor sweeping, they think no one else can do it when they do it poorly; their products took a 30 year dive in quality, just now waking up to the fact that other products are better, and have been since the 80s... They further believe that they get to live in an Ozzie and Harriet bubble, insulated from the real world...yet their yearly sales have dropped by millions of vehicles over the last 20 years, and they have no idea why... They scream for protectionism because their products are inferior and their workers are worse than inferior...they have no idea that the reason they can't compete is that their product quality comes up short, and they want the law to stop people from buying Honda or Toyota...not ONE of them has ever stood up and said they would try and make a car better than Honda, they just want to stop people from buying a Honda and showing them up for their poor quality... Almost like McDonalds outlawing filet mignon so that the world won't know there is something better than a hamburger... The first major quality improvement will be the destruction of the UAW, so that normal workers might put some quality into the cars... UAW Mission Statement: to attract the lowest quality workers to turn out the lowest quality workmanship in the highest possible quantity, thereby permanently contaminating the American supply of goods and services...that may not be their actual mission, but considering how the quality of Big 3 cars have been over the last 30 years, it does make you wonder... And yes, the last 30 years IS relevant because they are just waking up now, which is why this whole argument is mind-numbing...if it was just the worthless junk of the 70s, and they made radical quality improvements in the 80s and beyond, I could see the past as irrelevant, but they made junk for so long it must be in the UAW DNA to make an inferior product...I would bet half the UAW has never seen a Honda and has no idea why people might buy them...talk about ignorant brainwashing from UAW stewards...it is a wonder they let UAW members have their own checking accounts, since their thought processes are so infantile...and on top of that, they let UAW members reproduce, which means there are more that have that silly entitlement mentality... That cycle will be broken in the next few years, and the USA will be better for it...
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