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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 26, 2009 6:12 pm) How do you become born into the UAW, in the first place and what does that mean??? What kills me is your average Teamster, makes more than most UAW workers and also take note that not all UAW members are automobile workers that work for the D3 thus what you should of said was they weren't lucky enough to be born Teamsters!!!  -Rocky
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Feb 26, 2009 11:33 pm) Not at most places I've worked iluv!!! Your Union just wants your loyalty and dues. If a Company decides they want to get rid of you or a segment of the Company with you in it they'll do just that. I know this is true having worked 20 years at a Union job for The Boeing Company. And it's not that they were trimming the waste-workers off. 19 of the 21 people in my Tech.Illustrator-Eng. group were let go within about a 6 month period between 2002 and 2003. Well tell your buddy McCain, to quit trying to send work that should of went to Boeing, overseas because it was "cheaper"  Do a good job and treat customers you provide services for and you can still get a good paycheck in America. Unions are not necessary. With a Union your voice is not heard, instead you do as everyone else mandates collectively. I never said unions are neccessary in all occupations iluv, but huge corporations where you are just a badge # and a breathing body well they are important. Scary way to do business. Look where it got the UAW's, rockford. A hard and nasty ride down the toilet. Almost, anyway. And rock, that is not my wish. I would prefer Ford, Chrysler and GM to remain in automotive manufacturing. Doing what they've done for a century. The 1960's remain my favorite decade in automotive manufacturing. My first car, a '65 Ford Mustang, remains my Detroit favorite. But my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS has proven to be right alongside my old Mustang as a car that I love and respect. Those two rigs just get my motor running the mostest. The Big 3 are done unless we make major changes on domestic policy. The worldwide marketplace has crushed that dream and idea, that one of continued mastery of the marketplace that Detroit enjoyed for so long. You can't just place the blame on Clinton and his NAFTA. The Union has not been able to save the dream, in fact, in GM, Ford and Chrysler's case they have helped hamstring them. I never said the UAW, was perfect and like any large group they will make mistakes. NAFTA, had a large impact on the UAW because it allowed jobs to go south and bring in those parts and fully assembled cars duty free. Rove International, a former employer of my mother and step-dad annouced today they are closing the doors after nearly 100 years in buisness and moving the business to a rough area of Mexico.   Now, if your Company is not making a profit, you're in trouble. If the hospital I work at started paying out more than they take in, I could be let go. Your idea of putting an eastern Indian in my job is a nice try but it's not happening. If we start going in to the red several of us will be toast. I have no doubt their are plenty of highly qualified Eastern Indians, that will do your job cheaper and it could be replaced if somebody like Gates, gets his way with giving H1 Visa's away like trick or treat candy!!! I could take some of my skills and open up my own mobile medical clinic, too, like sleep studies. I am just learning this skill, so, if I get a pink slip in the next two years I won't really feel comfortable working independently. Need more experience. But believe me I have thought of this. Probably too much expense to do regular Respiratory Therapies in my own place, but doing sleep studies is extremely lucrative. If I am my own boss there will be no eastern Indian or Filipino working my job and providing my service. I will run my own show, or, my Boss and I could open our own clinic up together. You would compete but plan on selling the Lancer, and getting a beater along with the house and all your autographed Supersonic stuff!!!  As we both learn sleep medicine this is a possibility, though, working for hospitals is probably what will still be our norm until retirement. rock, I know that the trend is to outsource, but I don't see it happening in healthcare now. I believe there are ways to make ourselves valuable even with that threat looming. I think that day is already coming as you see people going south of the border or to India for healthcare issues. It's in what you have to offer to the patient and consumer, it has to make financial sense to them and be convenient for them. And you have to technically do the tests accurately, keep in communication with the doctors in your community, and treat patients with dignity and respect. That doesn't mean anything to the pseudo-globalist.It's all about the buck and whatever is the cheapest. It might of meant something to a UAW worker since they have souls!!! Sorry, rockford, I just don't feel that "shaking in me boots" feel that the aerospace industry ails upon a person. Well I hope you are right but the serfs like former UAW, workers won't be able to afford your services iluv, thus they will look for alternative means to get your done cheaper. Maybe they will contract it out to an Eastern Indian, who will do your job while also punching in the numbers on the cash register of the price of booze at the Stop n' Go that they all own around the country. Unless your a minority they are going to get tax breaks that won't allow you to compete!!! You might not be shaking in your boots now but your knee's might be wobbling in 5 years.  -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 11:42 pm) You'll have to beat Kerbeck's best price, though..  Regards, OW
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Replying to: tlong (Feb 26, 2009 10:25 pm) They may get redemption. Or do you/society wish to be their prey for an entire lifetime? Besides, we have long since forgive the Watergate felons and they have meaningful employment. Granted they aren't UAW material. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 10:25 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 10:41 pm) Retail sales must be WAY DOWN. I work a part-time job doing retail inventory. The local mall was so deserted last night, I might as well have been Will Smith in "I Am Legend."
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 11:01 pm) That's not what I remember and I'm probably 8 - 10 years older than you. My grandpa was a 40 year union employee of the steel mills in Gary, In. He never had more than one car and always kept them 5+ years. My FIL, also a 30 year employee of the steel mills has only bought two new cars ever. He's still driving a '95 Tahoe. Then again, I didn't grow up around the "rich" UAW workers. As for cars being better back in the "day". That is complete B.S. There is a reason why the "shade tree" mechanic was coined. Those cars needed extensive maintenance every year in terms of tune ups etc. Rarely did you see a car go 150k miles plus, heck most didn't make it to 100k w/o rusting out or needing a new engine. I had a '71 Mustang convertible in high school. I was lucky to keep it running for 3 mos. at a time. Points, condensers, flaky carburetors, not to mention poor handling, poor brakes, and most of those cars were slow unless they had a big block or a highly tuned small block that hardly ever stayed running right. The only thing those old cars had was distinctive styling and nostalgia. IMO there are only a few bright spots in the 70's and most of those are probably big GM cars. I remember my dad's '73 Torino. At 3 years old and 25k miles, the vinyl roof was peeling, the doors were rusting, and its 302 v8 needed a valve job by 30k miles. I also had a 75 Buick Regal coupe with a 350. I remember when my Grandpa gave it to me in '87. He was so proud he had gotten 120k miles out of it. Boy was that a beaut. 150 or so HP and 4000lbs, 15mpg at best, maybe 11 second 0-60. Yep, those were the days. Well it pretty much kept me out of trouble. It was slow and I couldn't afford to drive it much. The only bonus, I was able to put lots of girls in it on Friday nights:)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 27, 2009 5:36 am) Sales are down big time except for consumer staples where those types of stores are running flat, i.e. Walmart, grocery stores, and drug stores. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 26, 2009 11:49 pm) That is true. They were not happy destroying the Domestic auto industry, now the are ruining casinos in Las Vegas. One time being a dealer in Vegas was a great income. That is until collective bargaining leveled the playing field. Now all the dealers are drones not just the ones with no personality. My sis is not thrilled with the way they do business in Las Vegas Casinos. The UAW mentality for dealers now is to share all the tips equally. So a deadpan dealer and you know who they are, will not generate any tips. Yet at the end of their shift they get the same as the dealer that puts on a great show for the players. Why do you always play up what is wrong with the country and never focus on what is wrong with the UAW. Maybe you can ask your dad why they slow the machines at Delphi to accommodate the slowest workers? All people are not created equal. The UAW would like to make all workers equal to the worst of the bunch. That is what I dislike about your beloved UAW. No incentive in that environment to excel.
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