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Replying to: lemko (Feb 25, 2009 6:28 am) -Rocky
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Feb 26, 2009 5:24 pm) Oh gosh, I should be hoping our society provides for bad students and felons - what a tragedy that we might have a merit-based society. You know, mother nature is horrible, as the weak don't do as well. We should change that.
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Replying to: marsha7 (Feb 25, 2009 7:23 am)  -Rocky |
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Replying to: kernick (Feb 25, 2009 5:47 am) Incorrect!!! In my world we would have competition from inside our borders. If the foreign nameplates wanted to compete here well they better build it here or be tariffed. Many small businesses never get a chance form, grow, propsper, because some Chinamen, is doing the job cheaper which has cost the U.S. government Trillions of dollars in lost revenue. The U.S. had little competition from outside forces from 1900's-1970 and I hear you old timers talk about how great those cars were given the limited technology of that era. Did the rich only drive back then??? Everyone in my family even my ancient great grandma, great uncles, aunts, had nice cars back in the old days and were able to afford a new car every so many years and they usually had a pre-owned one also. The bottom line is their is always going to be someone who says they can do the job cheaper so we should fire all the U.S. farmers and grow all our food in China. Build our cars in China and India. Need a doctor call India, need a nuclear warhead call North Korea, because it's all about the buck, right??? Who gives a rats ass on the ripple affects!!! Screw your neighbor and country is the entitlement attitude of the pseudo-capitalist and that is exactly why this country is in the shape it's in!!!  -Rocky
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 25, 2009 5:53 am) Who allowed that??? We rebuilt countries torn by WW2 and gave them a place to sell their products. We in turn sold them our products. Sadly your grandparents only saw the auto industry as important and were oblivious to what was going on outside the UAW world they lived in. The average American had it a LOT tougher in the 1950s and 60s and 70s than the picture that has been painted in your mind. Hawg Wash!!! Anyone who wanted a good job during that era could get one even if you were unskilled they would invest in you!!! The problem was everyone wanted a suit and tie job in that era and thought they were to good to get their hands dirty and that kind of a job was below them. Don't worry gagrice your dream world of non-union, capitalism is here!!! I will feel sorry for your kids when the ripple hits them and we go on a rampage of the bottom line is the buck and your grandkids will point the finger at your generation and ask why did your generation grandpa sell us down the river??? You know that question is coming thus I'm sure you have some time to prepare a rebuttal!!! They might be able to go to a library and blow the dust off of some prehistoric history book that spoke about the UAW and Teamster union and how they faught for workers rights (since workers in the future won't have none) and a fair standard of living for the working class in this country. I feel sorry for the next generation because there minds have been poisoned by the right-wing media outlets like Rush, that unions are bad and there company is going to take care of them!!! -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 25, 2009 9:19 pm) Well that is goingto be 80% of americans if we stay on this road!!!! The warehoused votes are the targets. Not UAW workers or even Walmart workers. Those with any income will be paying guaranteed. Just like the $129 per month I pay for Medicare. I went for the cheapest plan. A lot of people are paying twice what I pay for Medicare. True, but the serfs in your golden capitalist society like former UAW workers won't have any income to speak of thus they won't be affected by the higher premiums that you pay. Our pastor and his wife pay $271 each per month for Medicare. They are through Blue shield. No free lunch. You mean the "Tax Shield" occupation??? That is a joke. I guess UAW, workers should all start churches and pay no tax to society but reap all the benefits.  -Rocky |
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actually, your Company will take care of you if you take care of their responsibilities to the "buyer" of the goods or services you are hired to perform. Truedat? Your Union just wants your loyalty and dues. If a Company decides they want to get rid of you or a segment of the Company with you in it they'll do just that. I know this is true having worked 20 years at a Union job for The Boeing Company. And it's not that they were trimming the waste-workers off. 19 of the 21 people in my Tech.Illustrator-Eng. group were let go within about a 6 month period between 2002 and 2003. Do a good job and treat customers you provide services for and you can still get a good paycheck in America. Unions are not necessary. With a Union your voice is not heard, instead you do as everyone else mandates collectively. Scary way to do business. Look where it got the UAW's, rockford. A hard and nasty ride down the toilet. Almost, anyway. And rock, that is not my wish. I would prefer Ford, Chrysler and GM to remain in automotive manufacturing. Doing what they've done for a century. The 1960's remain my favorite decade in automotive manufacturing. My first car, a '65 Ford Mustang, remains my Detroit favorite. But my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS has proven to be right alongside my old Mustang as a car that I love and respect. Those two rigs just get my motor running the mostest. The worldwide marketplace has crushed that dream and idea, that one of continued mastery of the marketplace that Detroit enjoyed for so long. You can't just place the blame on Clinton and his NAFTA. The Union has not been able to save the dream, in fact, in GM, Ford and Chrysler's case they have helped hamstring them. Now, if your Company is not making a profit, you're in trouble. If the hospital I work at started paying out more than they take in, I could be let go. Your idea of putting an eastern Indian in my job is a nice try but it's not happening. If we start going in to the red several of us will be toast. I could take some of my skills and open up my own mobile medical clinic, too, like sleep studies. I could buy an RV and travel and do "mobile" sleep studies. Our new CEO found out through a sleep study that he needs to wear a CPAP mask at night, with no supplemental oxygen required. Classic obstructive sleep apnea, it show up on the tracings pretty clearly and 70-80% of the time people get a sleep study the diagnosis is that they have OSA(obstructive sleep apnea). And they need to wear CPAP while sleeping. The upside is that they wake up 6-8 hours later feeling much better. Refreshed and feeling good in the morning. The anatomy of their tongue and oropharanx is such that when they lay down at night their tongue at rest smashes in to the back of their throat and they can't get enough oxygen to nourish their body and brain. They "desat" and are starved for oxygen, and then must "gasp" for air. This goes on all night long. When they wake up they feel tired, still. Their body's pH is not lined up properly and they didn't get the rest they needed during the night. I mean as good as "conditions" can be for them, at the age they are and with all of their other medical problems (if they have any) taken in to consideration. So, our CEO is a walking adverstisement as to the wisdom of getting people tested for OSA. It's a growing field that people are willing to pay money for to get themselves fixed so they can sleep at night, all night long. It is so important for their physical and emotional well-being. Yes, it is true that I am just learning this skill, so, if I get a pink slip in the next two years I won't really feel comfortable working independently. Need more experience. But believe me I have thought of this. Probably too much expense to do regular Respiratory Therapies in my own place, but doing sleep studies is extremely lucrative. If I am my own boss there will be no eastern Indian or Filipino working my job and providing my service. I will run my own show, or, my Boss and I could open our own clinic up together. As we both learn sleep medicine this is a possibility, though, working for hospitals is probably what will still be our norm until retirement. rock, I know that the trend is to outsource, but I don't see it happening in healthcare now. I believe there are ways to make ourselves valuable even with that threat looming. It's in what you have to offer to the patient and consumer, it has to make financial sense to them and be convenient for them. And you have to technically do the tests accurately, keep in communication with the doctors in your community, and treat patients with dignity and respect. Sorry, rockford, I just don't feel that "shaking in me boots" feel that the aerospace industry ails upon a person.
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 26, 2009 5:44 am)  -Rocky |
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 26, 2009 12:31 pm) -Rocky
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