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Replying to: marsha7 (Feb 25, 2009 3:36 pm) ROTFLOL - just cracked me up! |
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rock: "At age 65 marsha7 you might become senial and wear UAW shirts or something"...rock, if you EVER catch me with a UAW shirt, you have my permission to send me to Gitmo and "torture" me by putting panties on my head... cooter: I guess what I mean is that well thru-out the 60s, 70s, and 80s, we were just brainwashed that we were "done" at 65, sit back and retire...also, women were washed up at 40 (only young female actresses, except for a grand few like Liz Taylor)...now, we have all those female hotties in their 60s and they still look sharp, and the "barrier" of 65 is a worthless barrier, IMO...the world does not stop at 65, at least in my opinion...at long as my mind functions, I can practice law...now, whether the mind DOES function is another story... I guess I see it like Warren Buffett, but I don't have his money...I think he is 80-plus, and still goes to the office every day... Now if one is disabled, that may be different, but at that point, the age of 65 is less than meaningless, as the disability is the main factor, regardless of age... I also do not see anything wrong with walking (hopefully under my own power) into the courtroom at age 70...who there is going to know my actual age, anyway???...I may look 85 and I may look 60 when I am 70...maybe my looks will give the impression of wisdom... Hell, if I won the Lotto tomorrow I would not stop working...taking a 7 day vacation now drives me nuts by the 5th day...I work all year for a one week vacation, and when I finally get it, I cut it short so I can get back to work... Besides, if everyone retires at 65, who will greet me when I walk into Wal-Mart??? |
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 25, 2009 7:35 pm) Until then, hope you get the nod! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 25, 2009 9:13 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 26, 2009 6:00 am) All in pursuit of the American An implicit promise of middle class life for its remedial students, yes...it's over? The US will still have a great professional caste, living the global dream. The graduates of top schools, in key areas, will live quite fine. They will enter productive corporations, and help generate great revenue, which they will get a handsome piece of. It's the rest who are in trouble. The bad students in school, the felons, the moderately talented...all of them will face a paradigm shift. Their services will be less and less needed (at its current price points), as a globalized supply of labor competes with them. The wealthy professional caste (and the simply wealthy) will prefer to buy goods at its best price/best quality. This will usually entail imports. The masses in the US will see competition unlike anything over the past 50-60 years, and that will have to lead to significant behavior modification. The promise of the american dream is kind of over. I ask you if the owners of pro teams are worthy of welfare? Stadiums/arenas paid for with tax money? Just how do you suppose they EARNED this freebie? The more I read the more I realize that we have had a strong middle class in this country since we broke with England. You can't be serious? Indentured servants aren't considered middle class, no more than slaves/tenant farmers of the New World.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Feb 26, 2009 5:24 pm) I agree. The unskilled and uneducated will have to work harder to maintain a decent lifestyle. The bottom half of the workforce currently pays only 3.6% of the total income tax. Those are the unskilled that were not lucky enough to be born into the UAW. I ask you if the owners of pro teams are worthy of welfare? No and I get steamed every time I think how the Chargers and Padres have raped San Diego tax payers. Pro sports are a HUGE waste of tax payers money. Whether it is the deduction for season tickets or guaranteeing a full stadium as San Diego has done. One of the few issues we agree on. Most is payoffs by politicians. Indentured servants aren't considered middle class, Nor were slaves. There was a huge middle class in the cities of NY, Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston as well as others. Long before the UAW was formed. They were shop owners and merchants. Skilled people making everything from shoes to hats. With your extensive college education I know you are aware of the formation of the suburbs of NYC, Boston and Philadelphia in the early 1800s. Most were middle class people wanting to escape the filth of the cities. Pretty much as it is today. The Railway Unions were strong in the late 1890s started by a Marxist just as the UAW's Reuther. You can look at that and see the slow degradation of the true middle class in this country. I think the best way to describe making a middle class worker with an unskilled laborer is the same as trying to make a silk purse from a Sow's ear.
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 26, 2009 12:31 pm) You are being led down the primrose path my friend. That will not be anytime soon with all the blantent spending going on in Washington. Our unborn grandchildren will be paying and paying and paying for OUR bills. The new adminastration is betting on a 5% improvement over the next 5 years... NO ECONEMY ON EARTH HAS EVER SEEN THAT KIND OF EXPANSION EVER. (Not even China in their "boom" years) Have you noticed that EVERY time the new president speaks, the market tumbles another 100 points or so? He is not saying anything that will actually improve things. Many experts are now saying that the rosy econemy we experienced for the past decade or so was mostly riding on CREDIT. The more they look into the banking-system, the more they realize we were all duped. We will all be in dire-straits for at least the next 5-10 years. Hang on - it will be a bumpy ride. OH--- and it is not all the UAWs fault 
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Replying to: bpeebles (Feb 26, 2009 6:36 pm) Amazing nerve! This is exactly what the Republicans did. They borrowed many times as much for tax cuts going almost completely for short term consumption, massively focused on the rich. The Democratic borrowing is far smaller and half of it is for high return projects that are far more than worth it for our children, that our children will benefit from throughout their lives, in basic scientific and medical research, education, alternative energy, infrastructure, etc., not $5,000 suits, $500 meals, and $300,000 cars as with the Republicans. The Republicans have chosen the rightarded road again, They will keep their base and hope that the rest of America can be dumbed down to the level of that base. Their strategy is simple. They cannot be held accountable for their theories because they are no longer in power. They can continue to tell everyone that if the government cuts spending then the private sector will save the world. They know they can make the American public forget that they had the chance to do that with control of the Congress for 12 years from 1995 until 2007. And now they say "We're sorry. We lost our way, and if you just help us fight Obama and keep him from succeeding then we will do much better next time. We also have some good 'bottom land' we can sell you in Louisiana". Ya gotta admire the gall. Hang on - it will be a bumpy ride. Just in case some of you were not fully familiar with the quality of educational life in the great state of La., check out these up-to-date reports from the Pew Charitable Trust. Mr. Jindal's state ranks at the bottom of every measure of performance for an educational system. He's in charge of a state that virtually breeds developmental diabilities and he wants the country to follow his lead. Chutzpah to the Nth degree. http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=33264 Scroll to the bottom of that report for the data sets which show clearly that La. is not the place to be if you want your kids to receive an education. OH--- and it is not all the UAWs fault |
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