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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [wiseman] by dallasdude1
Jan 25, 2009 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: wiseman (Jan 25, 2009 11:19 am)

Do you deny that UAW have always been vehemently against "scabs"? Do you deny that "scabs" show up because the job pays more than their previous jobs? Use some logic please. "Scabs" are people too, and perfectly capable of analysing for their own benefit, just like UAW members can, and you and I can.
 
Reminds me of illegal immigration de javu..........its not right, either side.
 
"It Ain't Your Color, It's Your Scabbing": Literary Depictions of African American Strikebreakers.
 
by Mark Noon
 
I wonder why
     
 
 They are so shortsighted >As not to realize >That every time >They keep any worker, >man or woman, >White, yellow, or black, >OUT of a UNION, >They are forcing a worker >To be a SCAB, >To be used AGAINST THEM? >--from "The Negro Worker" > These lines of verse, published in The Messenger in July 1919, make a point about strikes that is frequently disregarded in the hundreds of pages of fiction by social realists who addressed the major labor struggles of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries: "[A]ny worker / man or woman, / White, yellow, or black" could be a strikebreaker. In the West, for example, railroad and mining company managers used workers from countries such as China, Italy, Greece, Japan, and Mexico to break strikes, fully aware that these immigrants would have no allegiance to the ethnic groups who had thrown down their tools in protest. Surprisingly, strikebreaking even crossed class lines as upper and middle class male college students also took on the role of strikebreaker to express their antagonism toward workers. (1) The variety of sources of strikebreakers is not fully reflected in the fictional response to the strike. In some of the most significant radical fiction of the early twentieth century, black workers--more than any other group--are curiously cast in the villainous role of "scab." In the span of a few decades, these literary depictions ranged from collective racist stereotypes to sympathetic psychological portraits of the pressures faced by the African American laborer. Ample evidence of friction between whites and blacks can be found in some of the U.S. labor movement's key strikes in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. (2) The use of black troops offers the earliest examples. Black soldiers were used against striking miners in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, in 1892 and 1899, because African Americans "were believed much less likely than white troops to...

 
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/29/9271
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [dallasdude1] by wiseman
Jan 25, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 25, 2009 11:41 am)

"Reminds me of illegal immigration de javu..........its not right, either side."
 
The concept of "illegal immigration" was a union political invention in the late 19th century . . . ironicly unionism itself came with European immigrants shortly before that. Before that, all immigrants were legal because there wasn't any law to make any distinction. Old World habits of using government powers of coercion to one's own advantage die hard. The result of course is worse standard of living and more political strife for all. Socialism often ends up being national socialism as the pie shrinks.
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [wiseman] by circlew
Jan 25, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: wiseman (Jan 25, 2009 11:53 am)

The "illegal immigrants" run Circles around any UAW...and they APPRECIATE the work as well.
 
Kinda how this country started, no?
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [wiseman] by dallasdude1
Jan 25, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: wiseman (Jan 25, 2009 11:53 am)

The concept of "illegal immigration" was a union political invention in the late 19th century
 
http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/inventing-illegal-immigration/
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [circlew] by wiseman
Jan 25, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 25, 2009 11:59 am)

"Kinda how this country started, no?"
 
Exactly! It's amazing how far this country has gone down the wrong path of creating feudal privileges like they used to do in the Old World. Free exchange, live and let live are good; coercion is wasteful and bad for everyone.
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [wiseman] by jimbres
Jan 25, 2009 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: wiseman (Jan 25, 2009 2:01 pm)

Free exchange, live and let live are good; coercion is wasteful and bad for everyone.
 
Bingo! You've nailed my political philosophy perfectly. This is exactly what I have in mind when I describe myself as a classical liberal.
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [circlew] by imidazol97
Jan 25, 2009 (2:42 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 25, 2009 11:59 am)

>The "illegal immigrants" run Circles around any UAW...and they APPRECIATE the work as well.
 
If people from other countries are better workers, then this premise suggests sending all work of all types to workers in other countries...? Right?
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Re: Unite Here on Toyota's low-wage strategy [imidazol97] by dallasdude1
Jan 25, 2009 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 25, 2009 2:42 pm)

If people from other countries are better workers, then this premise suggests sending all work of all types to workers in other countries...? Right?
 
That stands to reason and your stating the obvious. We have to go to the fact that the non touch labor is a no value added work concept. Just as the gentleman from the Heritage Foundation started stuttering when he was asked "what do you make"? A PHD made a fool on national television. Everyone is aware that these think tanks and foundations are funded by big business and have no peer review whatsoever, unlike major universities. The common man has learned to read and now he must get by the corporate owned media/public relations machine. Even the Japanese, who have brought this value added/touch labor to all of the business schools, use this as sound business practice. Why do we seek the Lean manufacturing and not the CEO compensation issue from the east? Why do these folks, that you hold to high esteem, employ their workers for life? What is the tradition of the 13 month of compensation? What exactly did these folks in these banks produce?

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