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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 4:36 pm) |
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 24, 2009 5:07 pm) Then why is the UAW NOT willing to negotiate? When wagoner takes a pay cut, why can't they? Not even for their own survival? We know that UAW guys did get paid good enough. Look at you. You paid off 2 mortgages and working on a 3rd. Even if you saved like crazy it is hard to do that. That is unless you are not spending money in the market. Which also means that you are bad to the economy. You are not keeping the money in rotation. Bad. Very bad. I earn a handsome income, and quite enviable, yet paying off the mortgage, and that too only one, is years to go. Why? Because I spend money in the economy to keep it moving. I am not hoarding it (or saving it as you say). Any ways, the moot point is that as UAW you did earn great income, enough to pay off 2 houses. That is where the trouble lies. Because I cannot assume that you were a miser and did not spend money on good quality lunch/dinner, good clothes and good vehicles. If you did, you cannot possibly pay off 2 mortgages on your own income, but if you did, then UAW pay is really good. Too good. |
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Replying to: chikoo (Jan 24, 2009 5:48 pm) http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f12feb9/8228 |
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Replying to: chikoo (Jan 24, 2009 5:48 pm) You have to ask them as to motive. However, if all of those in congress led by example, and took the $1 a year pay pledge, we might see the UAW forced into a corner. Then again, they might not be moved either. Has anyone asked them to make wage concessions?
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you wanna give all of us people who have to work the Reader's Digest version of your gargantuan posts above? Did anyone read all of that verbage?  I sped-read it and saw that it seemed to be holding our friend Donald Trump in high esteem of some sort. Reader's Digest it for me, dallas. |
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down to the willingness to accept change before death...the UAW lives in dreamland, looking in the mirror daily and thinking that lugnut tighteners and floor sweepers are actually worth the $30-plus an hour they are paid...since everyone in Michigan (remember, since UAW folks only hang out with UAW folk, to them the entire world is not only unionized, but every "skilled" floor sweeper makes enough to own two homes and four cars) thinks like that, the entire state is a case of Alice in Wonderland...they simply do not believe that the world around them has changed, so if the world has not changed, why should they??? The fact that their market share has dropped for the last 20 years is simply not something they see...they just believe in the Divine Right of Corporate Welfare, where if they go and sweep a floor, they deserve $60K yearly... Where almost every employee nationwide has to pay a portion of their health insurance, due to rising costs, the UAW fought a simple $50 monthly shared cost, simply because they deserve everything paid at 100%... If a child were to be observed exhibiting that kind of spoiled temper tantrum behavior, that child would be sent into time-out for 5 years (or an intelliigent parent would spank them until their a** glowed red in the night...that would be me, of course)...but nobody in the union will grow up, they just whine and whine...if they ever really knew what their labors were worth they might stroke out, simply because anywhere else a floor sweeper might get $1 over minimum wage, and it isn't worth even that... When the Big 3 die, management and the design of stupid looking cars will take some of the blame...but the junk coming off the line is the UAW problem...they decide that screws will be left out, window regulators will fall out, and doors will not shut...then they have the GALL to wonder why people will not buy the product... The cure for the UAW problem is simple...a mirror...to see the crap of the last 30 years...but, sadly, they are too damn stupid to see their own junk, like the child who scribbles on a sheet of paper with crayons and thinks it is art... Let's face it..anyone who is a floor sweeper who actually thinks he is worth $60 K yearly would be incapable of being smart enough to see the junk made over the last 30 years... Chapter 11 will be the answer...and stop telling us about the ripple effect...those same suppliers have been part of the junk making for years, so they, too, may need replacement... All they are trying to do is preserve the status quo, the same conditions that have made junk for decades...it needs Chapter 11 to shake out the worthless and start over...we will be better in the long run or else the death will be slower and more painful...the UAW needs a dose of reality, and now is the time... |
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