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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Unfortunately, that is what the younger generation will have to live with. It has to start from the US (since it is spending way beyond its means), and will arrive in Japan / Germany as the US consumption goes down (since their economies feed it). Perhaps not in China, since the average living standards there are so low that their younger generation can look forward to an improvement in their lifetime, even with a global "readjustment" going on. We are in for hard times, but I look at it this way - the last 10 years were an aberration, and some restraint on "the more you consume the better the economy gets" model is required. So we are simply going to go back to a more sustainable lifestyle. The sooner we start practicing for it, the easier the transition will be.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 8:32 pm)  I read the link as $40k a year plus bennies, but it's not all that clear, is it?
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:47 pm)  Don't worry I am not suicidal. Cannot get rid of me that easy. And I did not invest with Madoff as Spielberg and Katzenberg did. Actually life is darn good. I just like being the curmudgeon. 
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Looks like Audi wants to build a plant in the U.S. Or maybe they will share the new plant Volkswagon AG is building in Chattanooga,Tenn. It would be nice for Audi to be different and build a plant in the north or midwest part of the U.S.,like around NYC ,Cleveland,Chicago,Kansas City,etc. GM,Ford and Chrysler have plants around these areas. I'll bet Audi will not do it,who cares about the U.S. big cities ,who cares about the U.S. in the north and midwest areas. Nah . . . go down south where the states give big tax breaks to get these companies there,you got a right to work state ( don't want that bad UAW ) , a young work force ( don't want employees with health issues ) ,away from big city problems and lower labor cost. The sad fact is some Americans keep buying cars from the transplants,be it built here or overseas when it is obvious what the transplants are doing. These Americans don't think about what is really going on. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 9:07 pm) Well, it's North Carolina and outside the research corridor, you have empty textile mills, chicken processing plants and maybe some folks are still cutting tobacco. Thanks for the heads up Okal - hadn't heard about Audi's plans before. Here's a link: Audi U.S. plant decision coming by mid-2009 (Detroit News) One thing Chattanooga has going for it is the location. Like the folks promoting the Smokies are always saying, it's within a day's drive of half the country. There's some community colleges there, and it's on the Tennessee River for freight with rail and a couple of Interstates crossing there. Plus VW is building a plant there and already is having excess capacity concerns. And yeah, that whole union thing. |
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Replying to: okal (Jan 09, 2009 9:26 pm) That all makes perfect sense to me. Though I do believe the South has a bit more obesity health issues than the NE or the West. The West is not worth looking at. The labor market would be ok. Environmental regulations would keep any industry from considering CA, OR or WA. Maybe AZ as they are right to work, (no nasty UAW to bankrupt the company). As far as tax breaks. Michigan is offering $335 million in tax breaks for manufacturing companies to come up into god's country. Probably not enough to offset the cost of labor. You know they would be mobbed by UAW organizers before the first week of production. I think Michigan is at a crossroads. Ohio also. They need to pass a right to work law. That will make them more attractive. Not every worker in the UAW is happy to be paying dues to buy plush golf courses they cannot use or afford. I would imagine most of the new hires are pretty upset with the lopsided contract they work under. It is amazing how the UAW parallels the US government. The older people are selling out the next several generations to keep their own life style intact. |
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Replying to: okal (Jan 09, 2009 9:26 pm) These Americans don't think about what is really going on. Building their product for the lowest possible cost is what American capitalism is all about. You can't blame companies from moving jobs to states with the most "business friendly" laws like the ones you mentioned. Two states I've lived in, NY and Florida, are good examples. When I was in NY every corporate merger or buyout resulted in a loss of jobs for the NY plant. Here in Florida I love reading about mergers and buyouts because the Florida plants see a net increase in jobs.
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jan 10, 2009 6:20 am) It does not take a rocket scientist to see which states have healthy economies and which do not. If you live in a right to work state you are less likely to be unemployed than in the states where there is NO FREEDOM of CHOICE for the worker. With the push for EFCA by the Unions and the Democrats you can look for an even wider margin of industry moving to states that are business friendly. I am fully aware that Unions have played a big part in giving the working class a higher standard of living. The UAW pushed it over the top when unskilled line workers make more than professionals with college degrees. Proof is the fact that UAW companies are NOT able to compete with other companies in the USA let alone other countries. Like it or not we are competing globally. Until the rest of the world reaches a higher standard of living we will be dragged down. My kids are not doing as well as I did without a college education. My advice to all new hires in UAW and other unskilled trade Unions. Go back to school while you can still mooch off of mom and dad.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Regards, OW |
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