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Daimler to cut 2,137 jobs in NC Freightliner plants (Land Line) It sounds like those are all UAW jobs. Another link says Freightliner workers typically earn in the low to mid-40s, plus health and retirement benefits. (KFAE)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm) Yup, because it will never work. I never had health care as a child. My mom and grandma paid to have my tonsils out when I was 6. I am sure it was more than they wanted to pay, but did not lose the house or car. They both worked in the sewing factory in LA during and after the war. Someone will have to pay for this health care you are touting. The UAW worker is at the top of the food chain in America. We shall see how they like paying for those 46 million uninsured you keep bringing up. Heck they are driving GM into bankruptcy paying for 500k retirees. How are they going to cover 46,000,000 more people? What a joke... Mexico mandates healthcare for all employers. I hire a fellow to work for me. His wife works for Sony in TJ. She has health care for the family. Nothing like the cost that it is here due to your buddy John Edwards and $50,000 malpractice premiums for every doctor. usa is paying more than double the cost per citizen for health care of just about every country with national health care 16-18% of GDP versus 7-10% the rest of the sane industrialized world So how will that be less with US covering 46 million more people? those that don't want to become socialists under national health care can move to mexico or turkey I was thinking the same thing. Only we should send all whiners and the UAW retirees to Canada. Utopia is Just across the border.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Unfortunately, that is what the younger generation will have to live with. It has to start from the US (since it is spending way beyond its means), and will arrive in Japan / Germany as the US consumption goes down (since their economies feed it). Perhaps not in China, since the average living standards there are so low that their younger generation can look forward to an improvement in their lifetime, even with a global "readjustment" going on. We are in for hard times, but I look at it this way - the last 10 years were an aberration, and some restraint on "the more you consume the better the economy gets" model is required. So we are simply going to go back to a more sustainable lifestyle. The sooner we start practicing for it, the easier the transition will be.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 8:32 pm)  I read the link as $40k a year plus bennies, but it's not all that clear, is it?
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:47 pm)  Don't worry I am not suicidal. Cannot get rid of me that easy. And I did not invest with Madoff as Spielberg and Katzenberg did. Actually life is darn good. I just like being the curmudgeon. 
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Looks like Audi wants to build a plant in the U.S. Or maybe they will share the new plant Volkswagon AG is building in Chattanooga,Tenn. It would be nice for Audi to be different and build a plant in the north or midwest part of the U.S.,like around NYC ,Cleveland,Chicago,Kansas City,etc. GM,Ford and Chrysler have plants around these areas. I'll bet Audi will not do it,who cares about the U.S. big cities ,who cares about the U.S. in the north and midwest areas. Nah . . . go down south where the states give big tax breaks to get these companies there,you got a right to work state ( don't want that bad UAW ) , a young work force ( don't want employees with health issues ) ,away from big city problems and lower labor cost. The sad fact is some Americans keep buying cars from the transplants,be it built here or overseas when it is obvious what the transplants are doing. These Americans don't think about what is really going on. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 9:07 pm) Well, it's North Carolina and outside the research corridor, you have empty textile mills, chicken processing plants and maybe some folks are still cutting tobacco. Thanks for the heads up Okal - hadn't heard about Audi's plans before. Here's a link: Audi U.S. plant decision coming by mid-2009 (Detroit News) One thing Chattanooga has going for it is the location. Like the folks promoting the Smokies are always saying, it's within a day's drive of half the country. There's some community colleges there, and it's on the Tennessee River for freight with rail and a couple of Interstates crossing there. Plus VW is building a plant there and already is having excess capacity concerns. And yeah, that whole union thing. |
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Replying to: okal (Jan 09, 2009 9:26 pm) That all makes perfect sense to me. Though I do believe the South has a bit more obesity health issues than the NE or the West. The West is not worth looking at. The labor market would be ok. Environmental regulations would keep any industry from considering CA, OR or WA. Maybe AZ as they are right to work, (no nasty UAW to bankrupt the company). As far as tax breaks. Michigan is offering $335 million in tax breaks for manufacturing companies to come up into god's country. Probably not enough to offset the cost of labor. You know they would be mobbed by UAW organizers before the first week of production. I think Michigan is at a crossroads. Ohio also. They need to pass a right to work law. That will make them more attractive. Not every worker in the UAW is happy to be paying dues to buy plush golf courses they cannot use or afford. I would imagine most of the new hires are pretty upset with the lopsided contract they work under. It is amazing how the UAW parallels the US government. The older people are selling out the next several generations to keep their own life style intact. |
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