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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Can't buy it. All I see is a bunch of young hoodlums with pants hanging down to their knees, tattoos all over their body and pierced like a pin cushion. They walk around clueless as to the debt they are going to have. I see mass suicide when reality sets in. You can put your hope in Obama. I think he has already seen the light and it is not the UAW he will pander to. If the UAW and GM cannot build cars to compete with China, Japan and Korea. They will no longer exist. Obama wants to see practical solutions to the energy and fossil fuel usage. GM & the UAW offer nothing but vaporware. The odds on the Volt ever ending up for sale are about the same as the EV-1.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 pm) but assume you are right and this was a grand show which somehow made the clintons look good, effective, and powerful 15 years ago. as you know, since then health care costs have more than doubled and you lost your health care because the teamsters defined contributions trust fund could no longer keep up with the out of sight premium increases. (that was the first time you were hoisted on your own petard!) but what is your point? are you suggesting the next round of the national health care campaign will be just be another alleged show? if that is your point the sleep easy -don't waste your time calling your congress persons to express an opinion since its all just a show - however i think you are going to be in for a surprise by this time next year when you awake-- let's see- how do we pay for national health insurance? usa is paying more than double the cost per citizen for health care of just about every country with national health care 16-18% of GDP versus 7-10% the rest of the sane industrialized world has universal coverage and we currently have lost 46 million in the canyon of no coverage. countries paying half our cost per citizens also have better overall health care as determined by the world health organization. i say that the 50% of present costs that we save under national health care be used to set up lavish golf resorts for union big shots! by gum garice you finally lead us to a great solution to everyone's problem. ( i may have to start taking lessons though and what do i do with 5 months of snow up here!) those that don't want to become socialists under national health care can move to mexico or turkey - i believe these two would be the only counties withour national health care in the semi civilized world .
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Daimler to cut 2,137 jobs in NC Freightliner plants (Land Line) It sounds like those are all UAW jobs. Another link says Freightliner workers typically earn in the low to mid-40s, plus health and retirement benefits. (KFAE)
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Replying to: lumoy (Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm) Yup, because it will never work. I never had health care as a child. My mom and grandma paid to have my tonsils out when I was 6. I am sure it was more than they wanted to pay, but did not lose the house or car. They both worked in the sewing factory in LA during and after the war. Someone will have to pay for this health care you are touting. The UAW worker is at the top of the food chain in America. We shall see how they like paying for those 46 million uninsured you keep bringing up. Heck they are driving GM into bankruptcy paying for 500k retirees. How are they going to cover 46,000,000 more people? What a joke... Mexico mandates healthcare for all employers. I hire a fellow to work for me. His wife works for Sony in TJ. She has health care for the family. Nothing like the cost that it is here due to your buddy John Edwards and $50,000 malpractice premiums for every doctor. usa is paying more than double the cost per citizen for health care of just about every country with national health care 16-18% of GDP versus 7-10% the rest of the sane industrialized world So how will that be less with US covering 46 million more people? those that don't want to become socialists under national health care can move to mexico or turkey I was thinking the same thing. Only we should send all whiners and the UAW retirees to Canada. Utopia is Just across the border.
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Replying to: dallasdude1 (Jan 09, 2009 7:42 pm) Unfortunately, that is what the younger generation will have to live with. It has to start from the US (since it is spending way beyond its means), and will arrive in Japan / Germany as the US consumption goes down (since their economies feed it). Perhaps not in China, since the average living standards there are so low that their younger generation can look forward to an improvement in their lifetime, even with a global "readjustment" going on. We are in for hard times, but I look at it this way - the last 10 years were an aberration, and some restraint on "the more you consume the better the economy gets" model is required. So we are simply going to go back to a more sustainable lifestyle. The sooner we start practicing for it, the easier the transition will be.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 09, 2009 8:32 pm)  I read the link as $40k a year plus bennies, but it's not all that clear, is it?
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 8:47 pm)  Don't worry I am not suicidal. Cannot get rid of me that easy. And I did not invest with Madoff as Spielberg and Katzenberg did. Actually life is darn good. I just like being the curmudgeon. 
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Looks like Audi wants to build a plant in the U.S. Or maybe they will share the new plant Volkswagon AG is building in Chattanooga,Tenn. It would be nice for Audi to be different and build a plant in the north or midwest part of the U.S.,like around NYC ,Cleveland,Chicago,Kansas City,etc. GM,Ford and Chrysler have plants around these areas. I'll bet Audi will not do it,who cares about the U.S. big cities ,who cares about the U.S. in the north and midwest areas. Nah . . . go down south where the states give big tax breaks to get these companies there,you got a right to work state ( don't want that bad UAW ) , a young work force ( don't want employees with health issues ) ,away from big city problems and lower labor cost. The sad fact is some Americans keep buying cars from the transplants,be it built here or overseas when it is obvious what the transplants are doing. These Americans don't think about what is really going on. |
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